Tommeke, Tommeke, Tommeke, wat doe je nou!?!?
05-09-09, 12:11 PM
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2. if he, one of the greatest talents of his generation, is snorting coke, what else is he willing to do to his body?
05-09-09, 12:17 PM
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Man, I hate this. I really like Tom B. I hope the best for him. And I hope he can clean up his life. Coke is a tough one to quit.
05-09-09, 12:32 PM
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05-09-09, 12:34 PM
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05-09-09, 12:48 PM
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05-09-09, 01:48 PM
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"The CIDI provided information to the team from 54,068 survey participants who were interviewed in person or by telephone using a standardized and structured system for psychiatric conditions and drug use. As part of the survey, the participants were asked if they had ever partaken of alcohol, tobacco, cannabis, or cocaine.
They found that in the Americas, Europe, Japan, and New Zealand, alcohol was used by a majority of the participants. This was in comparison to smaller frequencies in the Middle East, Africa, and China. Notably, in the United States, the authors found that 16.2% of people reported using cocaine in their lifetime -- this was much higher than the level of any other country with New Zealand taking second highest with 4.3%. Additionally, cannabis use was highest in the US, with 42.4% followed once again by New Zealand with 41.9% reporting use."
16.2% in the US is like 72.3 billion people, right? Meh ... everyone has done it. NBD.
They found that in the Americas, Europe, Japan, and New Zealand, alcohol was used by a majority of the participants. This was in comparison to smaller frequencies in the Middle East, Africa, and China. Notably, in the United States, the authors found that 16.2% of people reported using cocaine in their lifetime -- this was much higher than the level of any other country with New Zealand taking second highest with 4.3%. Additionally, cannabis use was highest in the US, with 42.4% followed once again by New Zealand with 41.9% reporting use."
16.2% in the US is like 72.3 billion people, right? Meh ... everyone has done it. NBD.
05-09-09, 02:36 PM
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"I think I have a problem. After spending three to four months working, when I go out I probably over-step the mark and I become someone else. For 364 days a year, it's perfect. I try to be an exemplary citizen. But the day that I drink too much, something that I don't do often, I change. I will now seek help."
05-09-09, 02:37 PM
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"The CIDI provided information to the team from 54,068 survey participants who were interviewed in person or by telephone using a standardized and structured system for psychiatric conditions and drug use. As part of the survey, the participants were asked if they had ever partaken of alcohol, tobacco, cannabis, or cocaine.
They found that in the Americas, Europe, Japan, and New Zealand, alcohol was used by a majority of the participants. This was in comparison to smaller frequencies in the Middle East, Africa, and China. Notably, in the United States, the authors found that 16.2% of people reported using cocaine in their lifetime -- this was much higher than the level of any other country with New Zealand taking second highest with 4.3%. Additionally, cannabis use was highest in the US, with 42.4% followed once again by New Zealand with 41.9% reporting use."
16.2% in the US is like 72.3 billion people, right? Meh ... everyone has done it. NBD.
They found that in the Americas, Europe, Japan, and New Zealand, alcohol was used by a majority of the participants. This was in comparison to smaller frequencies in the Middle East, Africa, and China. Notably, in the United States, the authors found that 16.2% of people reported using cocaine in their lifetime -- this was much higher than the level of any other country with New Zealand taking second highest with 4.3%. Additionally, cannabis use was highest in the US, with 42.4% followed once again by New Zealand with 41.9% reporting use."
16.2% in the US is like 72.3 billion people, right? Meh ... everyone has done it. NBD.
05-09-09, 04:22 PM
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now whether he can kick the drugs is another question. some can, some can for awhile and then some just die like pantani.
i'm not trying to be callous and i'll break my anonimity and say i just celebrated 19 years clean earlier this month.
almost everyone i knew who got clean with me is either dead, incarcerated or back out there.
so my guess is boonen is not done with racing ... but i don't see a return to the peloton as being his biggest challenge.
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05-09-09, 05:34 PM
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I can count on one hand the guys I grew up with that didn't have to go to rehab for one thing or the other. And those are the guys who got their lives together. The rest are gone. Some didn't make it out of their teens in one piece. My best friend through grammer and middle school died of AIDS he got from his junkie wife.
I dodged the addiction bullet...barely.
I have empathy for Boonen, and I hope he can get and stay clean. But I have no sympathy for him, only the innocent people that are going to suffer because of this. He's a big boy and no one shoved a rolled up Euro in his nose and made him do that first line, and it's not like there's some big mystery about the risks that come with using.
05-09-09, 07:16 PM
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thanx Racer Ex. there's a saying that i've heard maybe a 1000 times or so: "we aren't responsible for our addiction but we are responsible for our recovery."
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i don't think he's done. boonen is young enough, talented enough, and popular enough that he can survive this. since he didn't come clean last time he can do so this time and then throw himself on the mercy off the fans and hit a rehab.
now whether he can kick the drugs is another question. some can, some can for awhile and then some just die like pantani.
i'm not trying to be callous and i'll break my anonimity and say i just celebrated 19 years clean earlier this month.
almost everyone i knew who got clean with me is either dead, incarcerated or back out there.
so my guess is boonen is not done with racing ... but i don't see a return to the peloton as being his biggest challenge.
ed rader
now whether he can kick the drugs is another question. some can, some can for awhile and then some just die like pantani.
i'm not trying to be callous and i'll break my anonimity and say i just celebrated 19 years clean earlier this month.
almost everyone i knew who got clean with me is either dead, incarcerated or back out there.
so my guess is boonen is not done with racing ... but i don't see a return to the peloton as being his biggest challenge.
ed rader
congratulations for overcoming and I wish you continued success.
I completely agree with you. I, and many others, won't care too much when he does return to the peloton.
fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice...
05-10-09, 10:01 AM
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"The CIDI provided information to the team from 54,068 survey participants who were interviewed in person or by telephone using a standardized and structured system for psychiatric conditions and drug use. As part of the survey, the participants were asked if they had ever partaken of alcohol, tobacco, cannabis, or cocaine.
They found that in the Americas, Europe, Japan, and New Zealand, alcohol was used by a majority of the participants. This was in comparison to smaller frequencies in the Middle East, Africa, and China. Notably, in the United States, the authors found that 16.2% of people reported using cocaine in their lifetime -- this was much higher than the level of any other country with New Zealand taking second highest with 4.3%. Additionally, cannabis use was highest in the US, with 42.4% followed once again by New Zealand with 41.9% reporting use."
16.2% in the US is like 72.3 billion people, right? Meh ... everyone has done it. NBD.
They found that in the Americas, Europe, Japan, and New Zealand, alcohol was used by a majority of the participants. This was in comparison to smaller frequencies in the Middle East, Africa, and China. Notably, in the United States, the authors found that 16.2% of people reported using cocaine in their lifetime -- this was much higher than the level of any other country with New Zealand taking second highest with 4.3%. Additionally, cannabis use was highest in the US, with 42.4% followed once again by New Zealand with 41.9% reporting use."
16.2% in the US is like 72.3 billion people, right? Meh ... everyone has done it. NBD.
Uhh no. Nowhere near. At a rough guess that's about 14X the earth's population. I'm going to guess you're exaggerating for effect.
It is a shame and diminishes Boonen's accomplishments and pro cycling in general. The "spiked drink" defense is sad as well.
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05-10-09, 10:55 AM
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I still haven't heard an answer to the following questions:
Why would they do out-of-competition test for substances like cocaine that they can't sanction the riders for?
Why would they would find it necessary to make the results public and give the test results to the legal authorities? I can see letting the team know or something so the rider can be counseled/fired/treated, whatever, but what benefit is it to cycling to seek criminal prosecution of a rider for something the sport itself doesn't even have a rule against? Are they trying to kill pro-cycling with scandal?
How in hell can these privately administered tests by a sporting authority count as evidence in a criminal proceeding?
Why would they do out-of-competition test for substances like cocaine that they can't sanction the riders for?
Why would they would find it necessary to make the results public and give the test results to the legal authorities? I can see letting the team know or something so the rider can be counseled/fired/treated, whatever, but what benefit is it to cycling to seek criminal prosecution of a rider for something the sport itself doesn't even have a rule against? Are they trying to kill pro-cycling with scandal?
How in hell can these privately administered tests by a sporting authority count as evidence in a criminal proceeding?
05-10-09, 01:39 PM
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cyclingnews is now saying this is Boonen's third cocaine positive, as the first one was kept under wraps in Nov '07 (having trouble linking the story, but its in the ticker there)
05-11-09, 08:12 AM
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Robbing the cradle isn't enough to qualify?
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