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Old 05-10-09, 09:35 PM   #1
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Ventura Stage Race

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I'm still trying to decide whether or not to ride my TT bike or not. From some of the comments I've heard it might be a technical enough course to go with a road bike+ clip-ons+ disk. I'm thinking I'm going to bring the TT bike and make a game day decision. Can anybody give some insight? Either way it's going to be super short and super fast. I'm guessing winning times will be around 3.5 minutes.

Any insight into the Crit and road courses would also be helpful.
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Who's in?

I'm still trying to decide whether or not to ride my TT bike or not. From some of the comments I've heard it might be a technical enough course to go with a road bike+ clip-ons+ disk. I'm thinking I'm going to bring the TT bike and make a game day decision. Can anybody give some insight? Either way it's going to be super short and super fast. I'm guessing winning times will be around 3.5 minutes.

Any insight into the Crit and road courses would also be helpful.
In for the 1/2s.
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I've decided to use the money towards paying off my System Six and just do the Ontario 4/5 race. Good luck guys, my whole team is going to be there (PAA)
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I am probably in for the 3s...
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Ontario is more my speed. The only climb is that raised manhole cover coming out of T3.
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Old 05-11-09, 01:38 AM   #6
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wuss... hey did you get the pics?
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Ontario is more my speed. The only climb is that raised manhole cover coming out of T3.
That will be turn 4 this weekend.
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umd - I did indeed get the pics. Thanks again. I'll see those guys this weekend and hand everything off to the money guy.

redal - That's right, I forgot it was the short course this time.
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the circuit looks no fun. i wonder if mapmyride's elevation charts are correct. it usually marks laurel canyon from the valley side as 11% when the sign posted says 7%
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I hope it is hilly!!!!

From what I was told; no TT bike needed due to all the turns. You will not be on the aerobars enough to justify it. Again, this is what I heard so don't hold me to it.

Good luck everyone.
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1.The TT starts on Main St which is a downhill slope

2.turns right on California St which is an out of the saddle big ring climb

3.left onto Poli which is a false flat

4.a sweeping right onto Cedar St.. Cedar has a knoll/hill in the middle which is short and can be done seated or out of the saddle. Once at the top of the knoll, it drops down quickly

5. slow down coming down Cedar and make a sharp left onto Prospect.

6. go down Prospect for 1/2 block and make the hair-pin U-turn.

7. Accelerate out of the hair-pin and make the right back onto Cedar.

8. the back side of Cedar is the longest "climb" in the TT. Its about a block long and you can do the whole thing out of the saddle.

9. once at the top of the Cedar climb, you have a sweeping left turn back onto Poli. In this direction, Poli is flat....maybe a 1-2% downhill.

10. coming off Poli you're going to make a right turn onto Oak St. This is a fast downhill grade.

11. at the bottom of Oak, you're going to make a left turn back onto Main St. This is going to be a very fast turn coming off the Oak St downhill.

12. now your on the 2 block finishing straight which is about a 2% 'ish grade.


My personal opinion is that the only place a TT bike might be beneficial would be on the straightaways on Poli St. My guess is that the road bike might cost you a couple of seconds (at the most) on the Poli straights, but you'll make that time up at the Cedar/Prospect intersection w/the hairpin turn. The road bike will probably corner better, have quicker shifting, and better acceleration. There is going to be a lot of shifting in and out of the corners.

This course will probably favor the power climbers in the bunch w/ good bike handling skills. Not enough flats for the pure TT'ers and the climbs are very short, so the climbers can't get away. Being that the course is only 1.7 miles, the effort will be painful, but short

http://www.mapmyride.com/route/us/ca...24207178318900

hope this helps

BTW, the above is my personal opinion of the coarse! Ride whatever bike you want My riding style might be different from yours
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I want to know about the roadrace. Is it hilly?
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I want to know about the roadrace. Is it hilly?
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What's the gradient like on Thacher? I heard 9%, but the map says 7% for about .5 miles.
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The only hill is on Thatcher, but its a long enough to hurt and drop riders. Once at the top you turn on McAndrew Rd.

McAndrew Rd (smooth pavement) is a steep downhill and Reeves Rd (rough pavement)is about a -1% downward slope. Turn right on McNell Rd.

McNell Rd (good pavement) is a 2% up hill grade. Turn left on Grand Ave.

Grand Ave is a -2% on new pavement. Right on Fordyce

Fordyce and Carne are a 2-3% grade

Turning off of Carne Rd onto Thatcher its a a false flat to a slight -1-2% downhill grade. If I remember correctly, the Thatcher climb starts after the McNell Rd intersection.
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thanks for all the great info, phoshizzo. now i just need find a place to stay up there. anyone looking to share a room or carpool, feel free to pm or email me. i'm coming from irvine.
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The start times are out and one of my teammates is the minute-man for Landis

It's a short course though so hopefull nobody will be caught by their minute man
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My one and only wish for that race was to not have a pro starting behind me. Glad that didn't happen.
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I just got back from pre-riding the prologue and crit courses. It's going to be hard. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the crit will be the hardest all year. You start with a 2% grade through the start finish, turn left and go up a hard ~15 second kicker. I'd say it similar (but maybe a little longer/steeper) to the kicker at Red Trolley but without any momentum at the bottom. Make another left, long flat stretch, left downhill, BALLS OUT super fast left at the bottom then a block and a half of 2% to the finish.

The prologue is going to be tricky. I've decided that the straightaways are long enough and the technical sections are just barely easy enough that a full TT setup will be the best option. That being said, gear selection is going to be critical. The section before-during-and-after the turnaround will make or break the race. You've got to make sure you don't over gear the descent because you'll be on the bullhorns through the left onto Prospect followed immediately by a turnaround, right hand turn, and climb. You'll then need to meter your effort up the hill so that you maintain enough speed over the top but don't completely blow up when it flattens out. The last right into the descent will be easy, but the last left before the finish is the same as the last corner of the crit. I'm guessing 40-45mph on the bullhorns and rail the corner as hard as possible before the finish. Everything can be done in the big ring.

For the most part the course is wide open so corners can be taken at speed. The notable exception being the left onto Prospect near the turnaround. It's narrow and there's a bad stretch of pavement right where you want to setup for the corner. My suggestion is arrive plenty early so you can watch the early racers and find the best lines through all the corners. Definitely not a course you can take blind and expect to do well. I pre-rode it 3-4 times and I'm still thinking about how to set up for some of these corners. It's going to be hard but fun.
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Jonzin for updates!!!

(Guessing it was some good tough racin')
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I posted my updates in the race report thread...

I didn't write today's yet. It sucked. The climb on the third lap (of 8) was for KOM points and the extra juice really hurt. But I made it over the top with the group and lived for another lap. Just. The fourth time up I had nothing left and despite climbing at threshold they just rode away. I rode by myself for a lap and then was joined by some local guys who had been dropped earlier and we worked together for two laps but then they dropped me and I rode by myself to the end, cramping and light-headed. It was fricken hot and I'm sure I didn't drink enough and I was crusty-white which is unusual for me . It was basically an hour of VO2max intervals followed by an hour of threshold climbs followed by 15 minutes of looking for someone to shoot me to put me out of my misery. I finished 25th. Not sure how many started but they only put 30 as finishing. There were 47 listed as finishing the crit and eligible to start today although I'm pretty sure that one of them was Danny who was out with a broken collarbone from the crash. 40 would probably be a good estimate.
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I posted my updates in the race report thread...

I didn't write today's yet. It sucked. The climb on the third lap (of 8) was for KOM points and the extra juice really hurt. But I made it over the top with the group and lived for another lap. Just. The fourth time up I had nothing left and despite climbing at threshold they just rode away. I rode by myself for a lap and then was joined by some local guys who had been dropped earlier and we worked together for two laps but then they dropped me and I rode by myself to the end, cramping and light-headed. It was fricken hot and I'm sure I didn't drink enough and I was crusty-white which is unusual for me . It was basically an hour of VO2max intervals followed by an hour of threshold climbs followed by 15 minutes of looking for someone to shoot me to put me out of my misery. I finished 25th. Not sure how many started but they only put 30 as finishing. There were 47 listed as finishing the crit and eligible to start today although I'm pretty sure that one of them was Danny who was out with a broken collarbone from the crash. 40 would probably be a good estimate.

Why was Walker at Ontario? I meant to ask him but forgot once the race was over.
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One of my friends got 11th in Cat 4
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