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    Banned substance sanctions in other sports

    NASCAR - get caught once, indefinite ban. Seems harsh.http://www.usatoday.com/sports/motor...mayfield_N.htm
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    Quote Originally Posted by bdcheung View Post
    NASCAR - get caught once, indefinite ban. Seems harsh.http://www.usatoday.com/sports/motor...mayfield_N.htm
    I'm pretty sure "indefinite" in NASCAR terms means perhaps 1 race. I love the classic denial by the driver though. His fans will believe.

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    The two lap suspension seemed too tame.

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    he already missed Darlington and looks like he will miss the Coca-Cola 600 as well
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    Nascar is a sport?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enthalpic View Post
    Nascar is a sport?
    Bingo.


    On a serious note, I get the safety aspects, but really, what's focus of their drug program? Too much steroid muscle on the gas pedal?
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    ^^ that was my initial reaction as well.

    Which then led to "Why issue an indefinite ban on a guy who used a substance that really doesn't give that much of a performance enhancement?"
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    easy. Some of us (maybe just me) are southern rednecks who follow NASCAR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdcheung View Post
    ^^ that was my initial reaction as well.

    Which then led to "Why issue an indefinite ban on a guy who used a substance that really doesn't give that much of a performance enhancement?"
    I don't think you read the article well enough:

    Black, citing NASCAR policy, declined to specify what caused Mayfield to test positive, saying it was "a drug of concern."

    NASCAR is not telling. Quite clearly, it's a drug that can improve performance ...... even for a race car driver. I would guess that his PED of choice helps improve reflexes.

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    Not sure how "improved reflexes" helps you on a NASCAR track. Only thing it would help you do is avoid crashes.

    If there was some magical drug that gave you perfect pit strategy, I could see that as a PED.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bdcheung View Post
    Not sure how "improved reflexes" helps you on a NASCAR track. Only thing it would help you do is avoid crashes.

    If there was some magical drug that gave you perfect pit strategy, I could see that as a PED.
    They (usually 40+ drivers) drive 180mph within inches of each other. They need real good reflexes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdcheung View Post
    Not sure how "improved reflexes" helps you on a NASCAR track.
    Really???

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    From my office chair, yes really. But Subby's point is well taken.
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    Increased concentration, alertness? Sudafed plus some other OTC drub leads to a speed/meth positive maybe?

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    Increased concentration?

    Increased reaction time is really helpful in tight packs at high speed.
    Last edited by ridethecliche; 05-11-09 at 01:00 PM.
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    So we're talking about Provigil, then.

    Or a cornucopia of stimulants.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ridethecliche View Post
    Increased concentration?
    Yeah, I mean (without intending insult to any fans) you're basically driving in circles for hours and hours on end. I could imagine my mental acuity starting to slip after a few hours of that.

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    Plus they're necks and backs are harnessed without much mobility, they drive 500 miles straight usually in 105F temps without breaks for water or to relieve themselves. They're slammed into walls at 100+mph and not all courses are loops. There are several road courses with narrow stretches and not much room to maneuver.

    A few of these guys do mountain bike races when they're in town as well to stay in shape.

    But I'm partial to the "sport" and don't want to get anything started.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CastIron View Post
    So we're talking about Provigil, then.

    Or a cornucopia of stimulants.
    or Modafinil

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikearena View Post
    Yeah, I mean (without intending insult to any fans) you're basically driving in circles for hours and hours on end. I could imagine my mental acuity starting to slip after a few hours of that.
    I was responding to the OP and citing things I think it'd help

    I'm in agreement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by substructure View Post
    Plus they're necks and backs are harnessed without much mobility, they drive 500 miles straight usually in 150F temps with limited breaks for water or to relieve themselves.

    A few of these guys do mountain bike races when they're in town as well to stay in shape.
    Fixed.

    The truth is, this is a very physical sport. It's not quite physical in the way that bike racing is, but it is analogous. The same way that people say to us, "I ride my bike" and we chuckle to ourselves, these guy chuckle to themselves when someone says, "My cousin/brother-in-law/co-worker drives race cars."

    Any sort of chemical 'speed' is not effective. It's just a good way to crash. Good endurance physical fitness and a ridiculously high heat tolerance is. Also, the ability to not lose focus and concentration is absolutely mandatory. Descending on a bike is difficult and nerve-wracking. That is similar to what they do for hours at a time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bac View Post
    I'm pretty sure "indefinite" in NASCAR terms means perhaps 1 race.

    ... Brad
    It will be longer than that.

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    it was probably a recreational drug that could impair reflexes or judgement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erader View Post
    it was probably a recreational drug that could impair reflexes or judgement.

    ed rader
    That would be my guess. NASCAR doesn't want an accident that hurts or kills people, caused by an impaired driver. Leave the impairments to the fans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Namenda View Post
    That would be my guess. NASCAR doesn't want an accident that hurts or kills people, caused by an impaired driver. Leave the impairments to the fans.
    I was supposed to go to the 600 this year. It's practically in my backyard. But the clan that invited me got thrown out last year.

    How friggen sloppy drunk and rowdy do you have to be to get thrown out of a race? They found out.

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