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Old 05-11-09, 03:40 PM   #1
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custom team jerseys: best company to deal with?

Looking to build a small initial run of training jerseys for a RAAM team that is being formed. The team founder suggested Louis Garneau as an inexpensive option (for a small run) until we have some sponsors.

Has anyone dealt with them or can you recommend a custom jersey source? We'll probably need some design help as well, and the Garneau website says they help with that for a nominal charge. Also, seems there's a myriad of fabrics to choose from. Recommendations appreciated on that as well.

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Old 05-11-09, 03:45 PM   #2
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There are less expensive options that afford more flexibility, like Pactimo and Champion Systems. Garneau's minimums were too high for our team at the time of the order. Champ Sys let us get random pieces of kit without buying, for instance, a dozen vests.
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Old 05-11-09, 03:58 PM   #3
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LG's stuff is very nice..but like Impeza said the minimums are high..champion stuff is nice and the minimums are low...they make a very nice skinsuit FWIW.
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Old 05-11-09, 04:17 PM   #4
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I know verge stuff is pretty cheap and have low minimums. Ask pcad how it rides.

edit: vgear by verge is pretty damn cheap. $39 for jersey,39 for short, 59 for bibs. Order 10 of any 1 item, and you can do singles of anything else. http://www.v-gear.com/

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Old 05-11-09, 05:29 PM   #5
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Another vote here for LG...nice stuff this year...I particularly like the bibs...also, Capoforma is terrific...not sure about their minimums...it's a little pricier, but, feels darn good
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champ-sys is crap quality. you've been warned.
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Old 05-11-09, 05:39 PM   #7
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Old 05-11-09, 06:11 PM   #8
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Pactimo was a pain to work with after all the initial promises, and very few people in the club ended up liking the clothing.
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Old 05-11-09, 06:13 PM   #9
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I like LG kit. No idea how their business side is though.
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We've dealt with Squadra for 6 seasons too long. They're customer service sucks, there minimums are outrageous, and the quality is so-so. This year we're ordering from Mt Borah; I've heard they're good.
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I dealt with LG ordering kits for a junior team I helped out with and they were pretty easy to deal with. Kits are pretty good quality too, way way better than champ sys. If you don't mind the high minimums they are a good option.
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Old 05-11-09, 06:33 PM   #12
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I'd try going with Team Sales Cycling. We went through them to get Santini last year, and they handled everything really well. They are doing Giessegi this year, and the terms are much better in terms of minimums etc.
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I am working with a clothing supplier from Taiwan that makes clothing for the GIANT ART (Continental Team) as well as several other Elite amateur teams and clubs.

I've used their bibs for 5+hr rides without issue.

I haven't had time to get this up on my site but there will be custom and semi-custom options available.

Min Qty is 30pcs.

Pricing is reasonable but certainly not the cheapest out there.

Depending on your time line this could be an option.

PM me if you are interested.
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If you are training for RAAM, I don't think that you want to cheap out on bibs/jersey. I have used Pactimo, Champ Sys and Voler and have not really been impressed with any of them when it comes to long distance riding, they are good for crits and that is about it.

Maybe look into Sugoi Brand Champion gear to train in until you get sponsors and can afford a nice kit. They give a pretty sick discount on their RS line of clothes which I have spend 150 mile plus days in with no problems.

http://www2.sugoi.com/usa/eng/brand-champions
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Thanks for all of that. I was looking at the Champ-Sys website. Looks like they make kits for a lot of pro teams, but seems like you guys say the quality not-so-hot. What do you like, Botto (oh, I forgot, he likes nothing )

We're not ordering bibs or shorts, just using whatever we ride on, for now. We want to order some training jerseys for now, until we can get some sponsorship...just something to help the team take form and to look uniform is shoots for promo materials to get sponsors.

Also, an initial small run of jerseys will help us work out a better design, and figure out who we want to do business with for real kits later in the year. This is for RAAM 2010, and we're still formulating the team.
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How many jerseys are you ordering? Most companys are 10 piece, others are 25. Also look if they charge set up fees, price per colors, up charges for zipper types, etc.
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We'd like a small run like 10 to 15 but if we have to order 20 we'll force some of our loved ones to buy some...

I expect our first design to wind up not so great, because that's how stuff usually happens, and then we'll improve the design as we get sponsors and the team improves.
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Primal wear has a really good custom department. This year is the first that our team has dealt with them but we've been very pleased. Their jerseys and bibs fit (my) cyclist build better than anything I've tried except assos. Our stuff was delivered on time too, which has never happened on any team i've ever been on.

And not a tribal pattern to be seen.

Full Disclosure: Primal is our primary sponsor, but I'm not lying about the fit or the delivery punctuality.
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Most everyone saying that ChampSys doesn't have high quality hasn't been introduced to the new crop of stuff they have. I used it last year and the jerseys were breathable and the shorts were pretty comfy. The anti-bacterial pad was a plus, too.

But if you want the worst clothing ever, you can PM me and I'll direct you away from the company that gave me this:
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I've dealt with Hincapie and Mt Borah.

In regards to customer service, Mt Borah is incredibly helpful and easy to deal with. My team switched over from Hincapie and have been extremely happy with the way they have treated us. The customer service rep I had to deal with even sent me a handwritten "thank you" card in the mail once our order was completed. They obviously put a strong emphasis on being very personal with their customers and it shows.
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We'd like a small run like 10 to 15 but if we have to order 20 we'll force some of our loved ones to buy some...

I expect our first design to wind up not so great, because that's how stuff usually happens, and then we'll improve the design as we get sponsors and the team improves.
You might want to look at a second option then instead of custom.

Many companies will have standard, plain coloured jerseys or ones with basic patterns that can then be screened for minimal cost.

This way you can buy 2 or 22 whenever you like and you can update the designs each time simply by making a new screen. This allows you to switch out sponsors until you have it all nailed down. Then you can go full custom.

I've done this a lot with composite teams that come together for 1 event like a stage race. If the screening is done well you really can't tell the difference and the colour holds for years.

Hope that's helpful.
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I used last years ChampionSystems Jersey and Bibs. Quality wise Jersey wasn't all that bad. On the other hand bibs were horrible. They are way too short and the padding was very sub par.
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If you are training for RAAM, I don't think that you want to cheap out on bibs/jersey. I have used Pactimo, Champ Sys and Voler and have not really been impressed with any of them when it comes to long distance riding, they are good for crits and that is about it.
http://www2.sugoi.com/usa/eng/brand-champions
You did not just put Voler in the same category as Champ-Sys and Pactimo, did you? Voler is far superior. It is what my club and umd's team uses. Umd rode 20K miles in Voler stuff in 2007 with no issues at all. It is also what Hammer Nutrition uses, and I hear people on BF love their bibs.

You can go semi-custom with Voler here.
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Thank you all. This is a hell of a lot of useful information to work with, especially the user feedback of some of these vendors, positive and negative. And please add more info as you think of stuff.
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Most everyone saying that ChampSys doesn't have high quality hasn't been introduced to the new crop of stuff they have. I used it last year and the jerseys were breathable and the shorts were pretty comfy. The anti-bacterial pad was a plus, too.

But if you want the worst clothing ever, you can PM me and I'll direct you away from the company that gave me this:
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