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Old 05-16-09, 05:08 PM   #1
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Bad Giro crash

Pro bicycle racing is very, very dangerous.

The astonishing aspect of all this is how this doesn't occur at least once every grand tour in Europe. That's a testament to the phenomenal bike handling skills of these pros.
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Prayers for that young man.
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It's rather miraculous he wasn't killed on the spot. He rode his bike at 40+ mph 150 feet into a ravine. Hope the kid pulls through. Man what a nasty crash.
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That's horrible.
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He doesn't appear to be in mortal danger:

Giro doctor Mino Farolfi told RAI television that Horrillo’s life is not in immediate danger. On a scale of 1 to 5, he rated his condition was at 3.5.
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Bike racers are always in mortal danger.
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Bike racers are always in mortal danger.
Well Pros and faster ones. At my speeds I can practically hop off and walk it out if threatened by a crash.
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Prayers for that young man.
Fortunately, he is getting something much better - the best medical treatment we know, administered by highly trained professionals. It was a horrific crash, and danger is always a heartbeat away in this sport. I very much hope that he not only pulls through (as it seems likely he will), but that he makes a full recovery.
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This pic from cyclingnews puts into perspective what happened to this guy:



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http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/20...0038801_1_full

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Thats to bad...
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Crazy, I was just watching the late coverage and just heard about it. Pretty bad fall, he's lucky to make it out alive.
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Fortunately, he is getting something much better - the best medical treatment we know, administered by highly trained professionals.
I AM a highly trained professional but I can't be there to help him. Pascal's wager: if God is real, prayer may help. If God is an illusion, prayer won't hurt.

But thanks for your open-minded comments.
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Yeah, in the mountains, there are turns that you really don't want to miss. Some of the stuff I've done in Moab is, well, you know. I've heard of a few people falling off Poison Spider Mesa... no rescue needed.

I'm glad he's doing as well as he is. Amazing, considering his situation.
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That's what I call a ravine.
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Fortunately, he is getting something much better - the best medical treatment we know, administered by highly trained professionals.
I had that for five years. It didn't work out so well.

At least they didn't kill me. But it's not like they didn't try.
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Fortunately, he is getting something much better - the best medical treatment we know, administered by highly trained professionals. It was a horrific crash, and danger is always a heartbeat away in this sport. I very much hope that he not only pulls through (as it seems likely he will), but that he makes a full recovery.
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True that post has all the tact of a sledge hammer, but I for one would like to see someone prove to me that prayer has any impact on outcome. Pure fantasy and delusion.

As for the original topic, I feel very badly for Pedro and wish him a speedy recovery.
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It reminds me of Johan Bruyneel's crash in the '96 Tour de France, where he launched off a cliff and disappeared from sight. At the time, I had a very bad feeling that it was going to end like Fabio Casartelli's crash the year before.

It's amazing that these dramatic crashes don't happen more often, and I'm glad they don't. I wish the best for Horrillo and his family.
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This is the first thing I thought of when I read what happened.






Hope he heals super fast!
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True that post has all the tact of a sledge hammer, but I for one would like to see someone prove to me that prayer has any impact on outcome. Pure fantasy and delusion.
As for the original topic, I feel very badly for Pedro and wish him a speedy recovery.
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Good God. I hope he makes it out okay.
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Remember Pereiro's crash last year in the Tour...he fell off the top of a switchback on to the returning section of road below.
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From cycling news:
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We are happy to start off our report today with some good news. Rabobank reports that Pedro Horrillo has come out of his induced coma, can be spoken to, and has moved his arms and legs. His wife will be arrving sometime today. He is still in very serious condition, though, and we send him all our best wishes for a speedy recovery.
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I for one would like to see someone prove to me that prayer has any impact on outcome. Pure fantasy and delusion.
So put the religion to the side. Do you have any doubts that the love and support of family, friends, community, etc. can impact a person's psychology? Any difficulty for you making the connection from phsychology to medical outcomes?

If prayer is an expression of love and support, why wouldn't it help? I'm not talking about some magical transformation of injured cells, but more helping to keep the chin up for the fight, lower blood pressure, less energy wasted on psych issues, etc.

Obviously a blind reliance on prayer as a substitute for any medical influence is ridiculous, but it really might help, and certainly won't hurt.

Shouting from the rooftops that you're atheist is fine, but try to stay objective and not let your religion get in the way of logic.

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True that post has all the tact of a sledge hammer, but I for one would like to see someone prove to me that prayer has any impact on outcome. Pure fantasy and delusion.
Actually, I seem to recall a study (can't vouch for its methodology) that looked at hospital patients and compared the results of people with similar conditions, and looked at whether or not they prayed. You know, sort of falling in line with the way that emotional well-being *can* have an effect on recovery from illness.

Unfortunately I can't remember if the study reported that people who prayed more recovered more, or recovered less.

While I'm not one for prayer, is this really the place for a conversation that, at the end of the day, is still about wishing someone the best?
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