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    Nick,

    This is just to say that I feel your pain. I got pulled from my first 4 only race. I've been fine in 3/4 races, but this one was just killer. I attribute it to lack of sleep, not enough recovery, and too many beer intervals and going out with the seniors did me in. But it's all about the priorities. Bike racing will be there for me tomorrow, the seniors on the other hand, just left for good.

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    Had another bad showing today at Barry Wolfe... I felt physically better but my muscles burned out quicker. I'm going to go back to the drawing board and try some intervals that target being able to handle the accelerations I'm having trouble with in crits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frunkin View Post
    Take some time off. Ride for fun instead of training for a little while and you should come around.
    Best advice. Take some time off. I burnt out late last season and that's the exact same feeling that I had. Even better- take a couple days completely off the bike. Read a good book- do anything but ride.

    Quote Originally Posted by Duke of Kent View Post
    He raced the P/1/2. So did I.

    I was the first DNF of the day, as some jackass in the morning races decided not to close his safety pin, or doesn't know how to rig a pin/number correctly so even if they DO open, they don't come out. And as a result, I took a safety pin through my rear tire about a mile into the race. No wheels in the wheel truck, no neutral support. A short, miserable ride back to the S/F.
    Next time Duke... next time. Hope to see you out next Sat at the champs. We'll work on some team tactics. Great course. (or are you going to do some more MTB?) hehehe.

    Quote Originally Posted by cmh View Post
    Yep -I raced P12. But unlike DoK I didn't have a mechanical, I just didn't have the power to keep up on the climbs. It wasn't the heat or the distance (I got dropped 20 miles or so in), or anything else. Just a lack of power and endurance. It was a hard race as evidenced by the fact that the main pack was down to about 30 riders, plus another 4-6 off the front out of 81 starters when I popped. Although I DNF'd and many that were dropped before I was continued on to finish the race.

    Edit: obra3 was also in that race, and I'm pretty sure he was still in the pack when I was dropped.
    53 out of 81 finished. I got popped last lap just over .5 lap left. Lap 1- 18.1 mph up that hill. Lap 2- 17.9. Lap 1 a guy I know ave. 5.44 W/kg up the hill- normalized power for the 3:01 race was 4.17 W/kg.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fauxto nick View Post
    Had another bad showing today at Barry Wolfe... I felt physically better but my muscles burned out quicker. I'm going to go back to the drawing board and try some intervals that target being able to handle the accelerations I'm having trouble with in crits.
    Dude... Take the chamois off! I saw you guys and made mention to the BF contingent. You still had your bibs on! You had been done racing for 3 hours. Get out of the shorts and freeball at the very least. You are going to start growing shrooms in there and get the worst saddle sore ever. Take the bibs off! when you are done with your race. As far as the racing goes, just ride your bike and do some group rides. If you are good on the Rose Bowl ride and maybe Bud's on Wed., you'll be fine in any cat 4 race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redal View Post
    Dude... Take the chamois off! I saw you guys and made mention to the BF contingent. You still had your bibs on! You had been done racing for 3 hours. Get out of the shorts and freeball at the very least. You are going to start growing shrooms in there and get the worst saddle sore ever. Take the bibs off! when you are done with your race. As far as the racing goes, just ride your bike and do some group rides. If you are good on the Rose Bowl ride and maybe Bud's on Wed., you'll be fine in any cat 4 race.
    Hehe, figured that was you. I gave nick a hard time about still being in his bibs too

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    Quote Originally Posted by redal View Post
    Dude... Take the chamois off! I saw you guys and made mention to the BF contingent. You still had your bibs on! You had been done racing for 3 hours. Get out of the shorts and freeball at the very least. You are going to start growing shrooms in there and get the worst saddle sore ever. Take the bibs off! when you are done with your race. As far as the racing goes, just ride your bike and do some group rides. If you are good on the Rose Bowl ride and maybe Bud's on Wed., you'll be fine in any cat 4 race.
    So that was you! Dude, I didn't even thinking about those repercussions from leaving my shorts on that long... I usually just leave em' on till I get home. I'll take your and Steve's advice lol.

    "Grow shrooms" lol.

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    It's good to know that the BF pwn'age doesn't stop in person.

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    So Nick, I take it you will not be racing at the CBR Long Beach crashfest today?
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    Hey Nick

    I will race you one-on-one around Palos Verdes. You'll likely be finished by the time I get to the switchbacks. That should make you feel better man

    Sorry to hear it's not going well. I was going to do Barry Wolfe and was all psyched for it. Then, I got pneumonia last week . Looks like I'll need another few weeks before I'm up to par to try racing again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redal View Post
    I saw you guys and made mention to the BF contingent.
    that was you?!? i was wondering who that was. i was right there with steve and nick when you rode by. we've probably ridden together hundreds of times at montrose and the rose bowl and i still have no idea of who you are.

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    Nick,

    Anxiety can really mess with your performance. Something we all need to come to grips with after hitting the pavement a few times.

    On the physical side. Do you cycle your training enough? It's not human nature to get progressivly better in a linear fashion. I've seen that expectation mess with a lot of minds.

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    Had a GREAT ride today that made me feel a lot better and a lot stronger so I'm in a good place. I've read all your responses and really appreciate the wisdom!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fauxto nick View Post
    I raced Ontario 4/5 today, the heat was absolutely oppressive (I live by the beach and am not acclimated to hot weather). I noticed as soon as I got on the freeway driving out there my HR went up, I had a lot on my mind and haven't really been training or racing as much lately. The last time I did Ontario I felt amazing and had really high hopes. My last race was Dana Point and it was my first 4 race, I got shelled out the back but felt ok because of how fast the race was.

    As soon as I started warming up today I felt terrible, my legs felt fatigued, my HR was high and I wasn't motivated. By the time the race started I felt no better and I quickly ended up at the back of the peloton, could barely breath and even though my legs felt like they had the gas to attack, my lungs didn't. After 20 minutes my HR was at 95-98% and I was falling off the peloton, I pulled out embarrassed and frustrated.

    Once I sat down I instantly started to feel better aside from some sore lungs, two races, I figured then that a lot of it had to do with stress/anxiety. Two times getting dropped in a row, I honestly felt like I wanted to quit. I don't know what's going on, if it was the anxiety from my two crashes mixed with the heat but I felt terrible. Before Dana Point I never worried about getting dropped from a crit, and now I've had two in a row.

    Have you guys been in this situation where you hit a point in the season where you feel weaker and your performance drops? What do you guys do in this situation... because right now I'm feeling pretty down on racing.
    I raced this crit too. I had a pretty good time. First 4's race as well. It was a hard race to hide in. The headwind on the straightway back to the finish was brutal! And it prompted attacks that brought the rear to the front almost every other lap. I did not have good position in the final straightaway (at about position 15). So, since I did not have a chance of winning any $, I just stayed in my saddle, off to the side, and pedaled across the line. I'm not into casting my pearls before swine. Lots of people behind me attacked anyways (why? I can't say.) and so I ended up at around position 40.

    I noticed, about halfway through the race, that the field had dropped at least 10-20 other riders. So you are not alone.

    Now, from what you are saying, you could afford to take care of the stress that is eating you up. Focus during races is extremely important. Try to focus on the here and now in races (i.e., stay in the zone), while making choices that contribute to your race strategy (that is as wide-ranging as your thouhgts should go).

    But it sounds to me also as if your fitness is lacking. Try adding in rides that contribute to your fitness, like weekly long steady distance rides where you maintain aerobic zone HR for 4-5 hours. These base miles are important for making you fit enough to have steam for the final laps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OCshark View Post
    So Nick, I take it you will not be racing at the CBR Long Beach crashfest today?
    Do tell more. What happened. I decided not to do this one, even though I have done the other two, because the field in these seems to be getting more and more sketchy as the year goes on. What is it about that course?

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    Long Beach today was good. 4 or so crashes in the 5's. None in the fours thank God. I left after the 4 race.

    It is amazing how the least technical course in the world can be such a crash magnet.
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    Just upgraded to 4. I've seen a crash in every 5s race I've been in at Long Beach. Some stupid and some just funny. People braking too much, not protecting thier front wheels and, what's the worst, NOT RIDING IN THEIR DROPS!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinn View Post
    Do tell more. What happened. I decided not to do this one, even though I have done the other two, because the field in these seems to be getting more and more sketchy as the year goes on. What is it about that course?
    Let me sum it up like this: HEY, SOCAL 3/4s: YOU RACE LIKE BONEHEADS!

    Two big crashes in the 30+ 3/4s - turn 1 with 2 laps to go, then turn 1 again with 1 lap to go. Thanks for screwing up what was going to be a killer 4-man train for EDGE lol!

    So a teammate and I are up in the top 10 when the big crash in turn 1 happened (the first one); our two other mates were late regrouping with us with 5 to go before they got caught behind the crashes. They never made it up to us, so Ian and I pushed on. On the last lap, we were 1/2 going into turn 3, and I was about 2 seconds late getting my jump to lead my guy through turn 4. Got swarmed from both sides and they proceeded to cut me off (everyone is trying to get the ideal line into turn 4...goes with the territory oh well!). I managed to get 20th, which I'll take. Best result for me this year anyhow.

    I didn't see or hear of any other wrecks besides the ones in our race, but I left before the women finished their race.

    I am seriously dumbfounded why people wreck on this course. There is really only 1 hard corner (turn 4), and even that is wide as hell.

    Bottom line: never take the inside line on any of these turns if you are racing the 3/4s! The big wreck was caused by some poor guy getting pushed into the inside curb. I don't know what caused the second wreck.

    I enjoyed the race nonetheless. Felt good, and am looking forward to the Master's championship crit next week. I'm thinking about doing 30+ 1-4 and 35+ 1-4.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OCshark View Post
    I don't know what caused the second wreck.
    A good rider rolled a tubular. A mechanical problem, not a riding one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fat Boy View Post
    A good rider rolled a tubular. A mechanical problem, not a riding one.
    Hi,

    Since everyone else is hijacking Nick's thread I figured I'd just pile on.

    The guy that rolled the tire is a friend and it sounded like he went down by himself.

    There were two crashes in the 50+ race -- both stupid. First was the pack squeezing to the far left side of the road and just before the finish line there are some pylons. The pylons are there at the start and they don't move during the race (though you would think they did). Anyway someone hits one, crashes, and takes down another 4-6 guys.

    The second crash -- who knows. About 2 laps after the first crash, I tailgunning and I hear the sound of a crash. I guess I wasn't tailgunning because when I look back under my arm there's a guy down on the ground BY HIMSELF. Who knows what happened.

    Nick, everyone goes through a slump. Lord knows I am just getting out of one. Keep training and racing, just don't overdo it. As others have said mix it up with some rest and you'll be fine. It's just your first season. I'm on season 34.
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