Cycling and bicycle discussion forums. 
   Click here to join our community Log in to access your Control Panel  


Go Back   > >

"The 33"-Road Bike Racing We set this forum up for our members to discuss their experiences in either pro or amateur racing, whether they are the big races, or even the small backyard races. Don't forget to update all the members with your own race results.

User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 05-18-09, 01:15 PM   #1
caloso
Packfodding 3
Thread Starter
 
caloso's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Sacramento, California, USA
Bikes: Ridley Excalibur, Gazelle Champion Mondial, On-One Pompino, Specialized Rock Hopper
Posts: 33,756
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 113 Post(s)
Attacking the Neutral Feed Zone?

What the hell? Doesn't seem particularly sporting to me, especially on a hot day when we all need all the water we can get.

Am I being wussy?
caloso is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-09, 01:16 PM   #2
mazdatech10
master auto tech
 
mazdatech10's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Hollister, ca.
Bikes: ,system six ss, , caad9 cross, supersix evo hm, giant omiuim
Posts: 706
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
happens all the time , just get use to it
mazdatech10 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-09, 01:19 PM   #3
MDcatV
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Bikes:
Posts: 6,760
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
very uncool to attack just before, in or just out of a feed zone. if game is on before hand though, game stays on, just grab a new bottle faster or carry what you need.
MDcatV is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-09, 01:21 PM   #4
Creakyknees
ride lots be safe
 
Creakyknees's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Texas
Bikes:
Posts: 5,196
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5 Post(s)
uncool, yes.
unexpected, no.
unprepared, you should not be.
Creakyknees is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-09, 01:22 PM   #5
merlinextraligh
pan y agua
 
merlinextraligh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Jacksonville
Bikes: Wilier Zero 7; Merlin Extralight; Co-Motion Robusta; Schwinn Paramount; Motobecane Phantom Cross; Cervelo P2; Motebecane Ti Fly 29er; Calfee Dragonfly Tandem
Posts: 29,133
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 22 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by MDcatV View Post
very uncool to attack just before, in or just out of a feed zone. if game is on before hand though, game stays on, just grab a new bottle faster or carry what you need.
+1 The feed zone can be a dangerous place. Launching attacks there increases that risk. I was in a race last summer where an attack in the feed zone was a major contributing cause to a crash.
__________________
You could fall off a cliff and die.
You could get lost and die.
You could hit a tree and die.
OR YOU COULD STAY HOME AND FALL OFF THE COUCH AND DIE.
merlinextraligh is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-09, 01:24 PM   #6
caloso
Packfodding 3
Thread Starter
 
caloso's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Sacramento, California, USA
Bikes: Ridley Excalibur, Gazelle Champion Mondial, On-One Pompino, Specialized Rock Hopper
Posts: 33,756
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 113 Post(s)
This was in a Cat 4/5 field (you probably could have guessed, right?), less than 50 riders, and this was a team effort. And they did it two laps in a row.
caloso is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-09, 01:24 PM   #7
bdcheung
Carpe Diem
 
bdcheung's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: MABRA
Bikes: 2007 CAAD9; 2014 CAADX; PedalForce CG1
Posts: 13,147
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
i call balony.

feeding is not allowed in a cat 5 race.
__________________
"When you are chewing the bars at the business end of a 90 mile road race you really dont care what gear you have hanging from your bike so long as it works."
ΛΧΑ ΔΞ179 - 15% off your first Hammer Nutrition order!
bdcheung is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-09, 01:26 PM   #8
caloso
Packfodding 3
Thread Starter
 
caloso's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Sacramento, California, USA
Bikes: Ridley Excalibur, Gazelle Champion Mondial, On-One Pompino, Specialized Rock Hopper
Posts: 33,756
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 113 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by bdcheung View Post
i call balony.

feeding is not allowed in a cat 5 race.
???
caloso is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-09, 01:28 PM   #9
bdcheung
Carpe Diem
 
bdcheung's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: MABRA
Bikes: 2007 CAAD9; 2014 CAADX; PedalForce CG1
Posts: 13,147
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by caloso View Post
???
just checked the rulebook - I was wrong.
__________________
"When you are chewing the bars at the business end of a 90 mile road race you really dont care what gear you have hanging from your bike so long as it works."
ΛΧΑ ΔΞ179 - 15% off your first Hammer Nutrition order!
bdcheung is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-09, 01:28 PM   #10
Nate552
Senior Member
 
Nate552's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: TX
Bikes: Orbea Orca Trek 5500 Trek Equinox
Posts: 2,618
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by bdcheung View Post
i call balony.

feeding is not allowed in a cat 5 race.
Bottle hand ups are allowed in TX races for 5's. At least they were when I was a 5.
Nate552 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-09, 01:29 PM   #11
BigSean
Senior Member
 
BigSean's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Nor-Cal Bay Area
Bikes:
Posts: 5,088
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by bdcheung View Post
i call balony.

feeding is not allowed in a cat 5 race.
There are neutral support feed zones for all riders. Its not for food, but water bottles.

In my opinion it is poor sportsmanship on their teams part. Any reason why they couldnt do it after?
BigSean is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-09, 01:30 PM   #12
bdcheung
Carpe Diem
 
bdcheung's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: MABRA
Bikes: 2007 CAAD9; 2014 CAADX; PedalForce CG1
Posts: 13,147
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigSean View Post
Any reason why they couldnt do it after?
it's easier to do it during?
__________________
"When you are chewing the bars at the business end of a 90 mile road race you really dont care what gear you have hanging from your bike so long as it works."
ΛΧΑ ΔΞ179 - 15% off your first Hammer Nutrition order!
bdcheung is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-09, 01:30 PM   #13
SpongeDad
Overacting because I can
 
SpongeDad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: The Mean Streets of Bethesda, MD
Bikes: Merlin Agilis, Trek 1500
Posts: 4,552
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
how long does a race have to be to have a feed zone?
__________________
“Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm." (Churchill)

"I am a courageous cyclist." (SpongeDad)
SpongeDad is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-09, 01:32 PM   #14
merlinextraligh
pan y agua
 
merlinextraligh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Jacksonville
Bikes: Wilier Zero 7; Merlin Extralight; Co-Motion Robusta; Schwinn Paramount; Motobecane Phantom Cross; Cervelo P2; Motebecane Ti Fly 29er; Calfee Dragonfly Tandem
Posts: 29,133
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 22 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by bdcheung View Post
just checked the rulebook - I was wrong.
In my experience, in particular races there may be no feed zone in a 4/5 race due the length of the race. Thus no blanket prohibition, but its not unusual for the officials to announce there's no feed zone at the beginning of the race.
__________________
You could fall off a cliff and die.
You could get lost and die.
You could hit a tree and die.
OR YOU COULD STAY HOME AND FALL OFF THE COUCH AND DIE.
merlinextraligh is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-09, 01:36 PM   #15
bdcheung
Carpe Diem
 
bdcheung's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: MABRA
Bikes: 2007 CAAD9; 2014 CAADX; PedalForce CG1
Posts: 13,147
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by SpongeDad View Post
how long does a race have to be to have a feed zone?
70km

Rules say you can't feed in the first 50 or the last 20 km.
__________________
"When you are chewing the bars at the business end of a 90 mile road race you really dont care what gear you have hanging from your bike so long as it works."
ΛΧΑ ΔΞ179 - 15% off your first Hammer Nutrition order!
bdcheung is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-09, 01:51 PM   #16
mollusk
Elite Fred
 
mollusk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Edge City
Bikes: 2009 Spooky (cracked frame), 2006 Curtlo, 2002 Lemond (current race bike) Zurich, 1987 Serotta Colorado, 1986 Cannondale for commuting, a 1984 Cannondale on loan to my son
Posts: 10,762
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4 Post(s)
Attacking the feedzone is a dick move. It may work well in the short term, but over the long haul it is a big negative.
mollusk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-09, 01:53 PM   #17
MDcatV
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Bikes:
Posts: 6,760
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by bdcheung View Post
70km

Rules say you can't feed in the first 50 or the last 20 km.
chief ref has discretion on this.

I recall racedays when it was obscenely hot and humid where "feeding" was allowed every lap.
MDcatV is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-09, 02:02 PM   #18
wfrogge
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Bikes:
Posts: 3,917
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by caloso View Post
This was in a Cat 4/5 field (you probably could have guessed, right?), less than 50 riders, and this was a team effort. And they did it two laps in a row.
Pfft there were attacks in the 1/2/3 feed zone this past weekend (with several teams that should know better). Its part of racing....
wfrogge is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-09, 02:05 PM   #19
mollusk
Elite Fred
 
mollusk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Edge City
Bikes: 2009 Spooky (cracked frame), 2006 Curtlo, 2002 Lemond (current race bike) Zurich, 1987 Serotta Colorado, 1986 Cannondale for commuting, a 1984 Cannondale on loan to my son
Posts: 10,762
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by wfrogge View Post
Pfft there were attacks in the 1/2/3 feed zone this past weekend (with several teams that should know better). Its part of racing....
And bike racers have a LONG memory. Karma is very much a b*tch.
mollusk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-09, 02:07 PM   #20
kensuf
My idea of fun
 
kensuf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Gainesville, FL
Bikes: '06 Litespeed Tuscany, '02 Kona Lavadome, '07 Giant TCR Advanced, '07 Karate Monkey
Posts: 9,804
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Cat 5 "attacks" usually only last 10 seconds. Don't worry about it.

It's those 35+ attacks, and then the counter attacks, that you need to watch out for..
kensuf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-09, 02:30 PM   #21
Grumpy McTrumpy
gmt
 
Grumpy McTrumpy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Binghamton, NY
Bikes:
Posts: 12,452
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 18 Post(s)
I have seen:

1. Attacking right after a large crash that caused anyone behind it to have to slow or stop.
2. Attacking right after an officially announced neutral road repair section when the rest of the pack is still behind the section.
3. Attacking right after an officially announced neutral STEEL DECK BRIDGE when the rest of the (see above)
4. Grand Prize: Attacking by crossing the yellow line as soon as an oncoming car is sighted, slotting in in front of the pack and then using the oncoming car to block anyone from coming around and jumping on the attack.

All of this in low-cat amateur races.
Grumpy McTrumpy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-09, 02:39 PM   #22
merlinextraligh
pan y agua
 
merlinextraligh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Jacksonville
Bikes: Wilier Zero 7; Merlin Extralight; Co-Motion Robusta; Schwinn Paramount; Motobecane Phantom Cross; Cervelo P2; Motebecane Ti Fly 29er; Calfee Dragonfly Tandem
Posts: 29,133
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 22 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Grumpy McTrumpy View Post
I have seen:

1. Attacking right after a large crash that caused anyone behind it to have to slow or stop.
this is pretty much standard operating procedure.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Grumpy McTrumpy View Post
2. Attacking right after an officially announced neutral road repair section when the rest of the pack is still behind the section.
this is poor officiating.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Grumpy McTrumpy View Post
3. Attacking right after an officially announced neutral STEEL DECK BRIDGE when the rest of the (see above)
Id.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Grumpy McTrumpy View Post
4. Grand Prize: Attacking by crossing the yellow line as soon as an oncoming car is sighted, slotting in in front of the pack and then using the oncoming car to block anyone from coming around and jumping on the attack.
That truly is BS. Here, the officials enforce the centerline pretty rigorously, and they would definitely be relegated, and likely DQ'd. If the official didn't I'd take it on myself to engage in some "educational" efforts because that endangers the whole pack.
__________________
You could fall off a cliff and die.
You could get lost and die.
You could hit a tree and die.
OR YOU COULD STAY HOME AND FALL OFF THE COUCH AND DIE.
merlinextraligh is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-09, 02:47 PM   #23
botto 
.
 
botto's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Bikes:
Posts: 40,362
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by caloso View Post
This was in a Cat 4/5 field (you probably could have guessed, right?), less than 50 riders, and this was a team effort. And they did it two laps in a row.
wrong.
botto is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-09, 03:17 PM   #24
purefreedom
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Alexandria, VA
Bikes:
Posts: 232
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
is it a dick move to attack after a large crash? if the crash occurs next to you but you come out unscathed, should you stop, get off the bike and wait? Also, I have heard people that say when they hear a crash in close proximity, the begin to hammer so they wont get caught in the fray...seems to me like a rider wouldnt want to lollygag around near a crash because he may become a victim too....
purefreedom is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-09, 03:22 PM   #25
MDcatV
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Bikes:
Posts: 6,760
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by purefreedom View Post
is it a dick move to attack after a large crash? if the crash occurs next to you but you come out unscathed, should you stop, get off the bike and wait? Also, I have heard people that say when they hear a crash in close proximity, the begin to hammer so they wont get caught in the fray...seems to me like a rider wouldnt want to lollygag around near a crash because he may become a victim too....
I still havent decided the dickishness of it, but I do know that I've never been in a situation where a crash has occurred and the hammer didnt go down with folks shouting go!, go!, go! dont know if it's right or wrong, but do know that it is.
MDcatV is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 08:35 PM.