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    Attacking the Neutral Feed Zone?

    What the hell? Doesn't seem particularly sporting to me, especially on a hot day when we all need all the water we can get.

    Am I being wussy?
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    happens all the time , just get use to it

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    very uncool to attack just before, in or just out of a feed zone. if game is on before hand though, game stays on, just grab a new bottle faster or carry what you need.

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    uncool, yes.
    unexpected, no.
    unprepared, you should not be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MDcatV View Post
    very uncool to attack just before, in or just out of a feed zone. if game is on before hand though, game stays on, just grab a new bottle faster or carry what you need.
    +1 The feed zone can be a dangerous place. Launching attacks there increases that risk. I was in a race last summer where an attack in the feed zone was a major contributing cause to a crash.
    You could fall off a cliff and die.
    You could get lost and die.
    You could hit a tree and die.
    OR YOU COULD STAY HOME AND FALL OFF THE COUCH AND DIE.

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    This was in a Cat 4/5 field (you probably could have guessed, right?), less than 50 riders, and this was a team effort. And they did it two laps in a row.
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    i call balony.

    feeding is not allowed in a cat 5 race.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bdcheung View Post
    i call balony.

    feeding is not allowed in a cat 5 race.
    ???
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    Quote Originally Posted by caloso View Post
    ???
    just checked the rulebook - I was wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bdcheung View Post
    i call balony.

    feeding is not allowed in a cat 5 race.
    Bottle hand ups are allowed in TX races for 5's. At least they were when I was a 5.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdcheung View Post
    i call balony.

    feeding is not allowed in a cat 5 race.
    There are neutral support feed zones for all riders. Its not for food, but water bottles.

    In my opinion it is poor sportsmanship on their teams part. Any reason why they couldnt do it after?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigSean View Post
    Any reason why they couldnt do it after?
    it's easier to do it during?
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    how long does a race have to be to have a feed zone?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bdcheung View Post
    just checked the rulebook - I was wrong.
    In my experience, in particular races there may be no feed zone in a 4/5 race due the length of the race. Thus no blanket prohibition, but its not unusual for the officials to announce there's no feed zone at the beginning of the race.
    You could fall off a cliff and die.
    You could get lost and die.
    You could hit a tree and die.
    OR YOU COULD STAY HOME AND FALL OFF THE COUCH AND DIE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpongeDad View Post
    how long does a race have to be to have a feed zone?
    70km

    Rules say you can't feed in the first 50 or the last 20 km.
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    Attacking the feedzone is a dick move. It may work well in the short term, but over the long haul it is a big negative.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bdcheung View Post
    70km

    Rules say you can't feed in the first 50 or the last 20 km.
    chief ref has discretion on this.

    I recall racedays when it was obscenely hot and humid where "feeding" was allowed every lap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by caloso View Post
    This was in a Cat 4/5 field (you probably could have guessed, right?), less than 50 riders, and this was a team effort. And they did it two laps in a row.
    Pfft there were attacks in the 1/2/3 feed zone this past weekend (with several teams that should know better). Its part of racing....
    Please remember that all statements unless quoted, are strictly my opinion of what happened. That there are as many opinions as there are spectators attending. I just choose to publish mine on this forum. And would NEVER intend to purposely hurt or discredit any other cyclist.... With that said... HTFU!

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    Quote Originally Posted by wfrogge View Post
    Pfft there were attacks in the 1/2/3 feed zone this past weekend (with several teams that should know better). Its part of racing....
    And bike racers have a LONG memory. Karma is very much a b*tch.
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    Cat 5 "attacks" usually only last 10 seconds. Don't worry about it.

    It's those 35+ attacks, and then the counter attacks, that you need to watch out for..
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    I have seen:

    1. Attacking right after a large crash that caused anyone behind it to have to slow or stop.
    2. Attacking right after an officially announced neutral road repair section when the rest of the pack is still behind the section.
    3. Attacking right after an officially announced neutral STEEL DECK BRIDGE when the rest of the (see above)
    4. Grand Prize: Attacking by crossing the yellow line as soon as an oncoming car is sighted, slotting in in front of the pack and then using the oncoming car to block anyone from coming around and jumping on the attack.

    All of this in low-cat amateur races.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grumpy McTrumpy View Post
    I have seen:

    1. Attacking right after a large crash that caused anyone behind it to have to slow or stop.
    this is pretty much standard operating procedure.
    Quote Originally Posted by Grumpy McTrumpy View Post
    2. Attacking right after an officially announced neutral road repair section when the rest of the pack is still behind the section.
    this is poor officiating.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grumpy McTrumpy View Post
    3. Attacking right after an officially announced neutral STEEL DECK BRIDGE when the rest of the (see above)
    Id.
    Quote Originally Posted by Grumpy McTrumpy View Post
    4. Grand Prize: Attacking by crossing the yellow line as soon as an oncoming car is sighted, slotting in in front of the pack and then using the oncoming car to block anyone from coming around and jumping on the attack.
    That truly is BS. Here, the officials enforce the centerline pretty rigorously, and they would definitely be relegated, and likely DQ'd. If the official didn't I'd take it on myself to engage in some "educational" efforts because that endangers the whole pack.
    You could fall off a cliff and die.
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    Quote Originally Posted by caloso View Post
    This was in a Cat 4/5 field (you probably could have guessed, right?), less than 50 riders, and this was a team effort. And they did it two laps in a row.
    wrong.

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    is it a dick move to attack after a large crash? if the crash occurs next to you but you come out unscathed, should you stop, get off the bike and wait? Also, I have heard people that say when they hear a crash in close proximity, the begin to hammer so they wont get caught in the fray...seems to me like a rider wouldnt want to lollygag around near a crash because he may become a victim too....

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    Quote Originally Posted by purefreedom View Post
    is it a dick move to attack after a large crash? if the crash occurs next to you but you come out unscathed, should you stop, get off the bike and wait? Also, I have heard people that say when they hear a crash in close proximity, the begin to hammer so they wont get caught in the fray...seems to me like a rider wouldnt want to lollygag around near a crash because he may become a victim too....
    I still havent decided the dickishness of it, but I do know that I've never been in a situation where a crash has occurred and the hammer didnt go down with folks shouting go!, go!, go! dont know if it's right or wrong, but do know that it is.

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