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Old 05-23-09, 05:23 PM   #1
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Cat 3's (and above): how did you upgrade?

From 4 to 3, did you upgrade on points or top 10's? I can't seem to string together enough points quickly enough without having some expire. On the other hand, I keep racking up the top 10's: got my 8th last week and my 9th today. With any luck, I should be a 3 by this time next week.

So, I'm just curious: tell me your upgrade story.
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I'm just piping in here to say that my coach thinks that you shouldn't upgrade without results. Even if it's form 5-->4.

I agree with that sentiment, but not for the first upgrade. Then again, I think it's directed more towards not being frustrated after the upgrade than anything else. If you upgrade on top 10's you're probably strong enough to finish in the pack in the 3's. Worse comes to worst, you can always drop down to the 4's again.
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Well, that's sort of why I raise the question. I'm anxious to upgrade because I'm the only 4 on my small team. I really like these guys and I'm getting tired of racing solo. But I'm under no delusion that I'll all of a sudden be contending for the win in the 3's.
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I upgraded in 2001 on a handful of top 10s and having raced about 40+ races as a 4 (over a 1 year period). My local USCF official knew I had the bike handling skills to fit in just fine with the 3s, and I wanted out of the 4s ASAP because the they tended to be too twitchy for my likes.

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I'm just piping in here to say that my coach thinks that you shouldn't upgrade without results. Even if it's form 5-->4.

I agree with that sentiment, but not for the first upgrade. Then again, I think it's directed more towards not being frustrated after the upgrade than anything else. If you upgrade on top 10's you're probably strong enough to finish in the pack in the 3's. Worse comes to worst, you can always drop down to the 4's again.


I dont know about other areas, but in Nor Cal top 10's are good results.
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I dont know about other areas, but in Nor Cal top 10's are good results.
Thanks, Homeboy!
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A bunch of top 10s, from 4->3.

I also only had ~15 or so of the requisite 20pts to go from 3-->2.

But, I had some finishes in several SuperWeek races that impressed the upgrade reps enough that they didn't ask how many points I had. They told me I should upgrade.

So I did, and now I'm watching my race results from last season, which were few and far between, fall by the wayside and "expire" as the year goes on. I've only done 5 races on the road this year, and I imagine I'll probably top out at a dozen or so on the season. Roughly a third of what I did last year.

Why? I'll tell you. The Oregon calendar makes no sense; they have their state road race in the first weekend of June, the MTB championships in early May, and aside from stage races, you can very rarely race twice in a weekend. The stage races are also all within a month and a half or so of each other, in a June to mid-July timeframe. It's not like it gets hot here, either, which limits what you can do in some parts of the country. While they have a good amount of races, and are very organized, the actual organization of the calendar does not promote the development of talent in the state.

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4->3 was on top tens.
What's funny is that because I was marginally qualified to upgrade, I got a coach and trained smarter because I didn't want to get dropped. But because I was a 3 I could also race collegiate A's, which I did and it put a hurting on me. Those came together and I'm not far from another upgrade, as a result of the top 10's ->3's "semi legit" upgrade.
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question: how many top 10s are required?

I know i could look i'm hoping to be lazy here
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I know i could look i'm hoping to be lazy here
10, in fields 30 or more. But you are also supposed to have done 25 races
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I moved up from 4->3 on points (one win, bunches of podiums and top 5s). I moved up from 3->2 on points (all points from wins).
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I thought I had enough points but turns out I was one short... so I unintentionally ended up upgrading on experience. I had 2 wins and 6 top 10s.
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Im sandbagging on points 4 ->| 3.

Actually I'm sitting on 27 points, so no violation has occurred here

I've seen too many go to the 3's only to fade away. Plus my coach likes for one to learn while being competitive instead of moving up. Plus I don't have one damn point in a crit. Plus I'm 40 and the 3's is as far as I'll probably ever go.
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Back in the day everyone was a 4 starting out. Cat 5s were only reality in jokes, like Cat 6s are now.

I only ever got upgraded once, to Cat 3.

I thought I won only one race, but when I checked my training diaries one night, I realized I won 3 races out of the last 4 that I did. The last race was a points race crit, and I won 4 of the 5 sprints (the one I didn't win, I almost caught the 2 man break at the line and got 3rd by like 10 feet). I turned around after the sprint and asked the official if I won the race. The official laughted and upgraded me on the spot (they carried stickers and could do that back then).

That was, um, a long time ago. ha. 23 years ago.

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Back in the day everyone was a 4 starting out. Cat 5s were only reality in jokes, like Cat 6s are now.

I only ever got upgraded once, to Cat 3.

I thought I won only one race, but when I checked my training diaries one night, I realized I won 3 races out of the last 4 that I did. The last race was a points race crit, and I won 4 of the 5 sprints (the one I didn't win, I almost caught the 2 man break at the line and got 3rd by like 10 feet). I turned around after the sprint and asked the official if I won the race. The official laughted and upgraded me on the spot (they carried stickers and could do that back then).

That was, um, a long time ago. ha. 23 years ago.

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Similar story .... more like 26 (?) years ago for me ..... won a couple of races one weekend and Sue basically tapped me on the shoulder and told me time to upgrade to 2. You must have had lots of cat 3 points back then, how did you miss going to 2 ?
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I upgraded 4-3 on top 10's I never got top 3 in a race as a 4, it wasn't till I was a 3 or better that I won or got on the podium at a race(not counting tt's).
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I got 15 of my 20 points as a 4 in 2 days: won a RR sprint, took a crit field sprint for 2nd. The way to do it is not to just race a lot, but to peak and race a lot while you're fast.
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I upgraded 4-3 on top 10's I never got top 3 in a race as a 4, it wasn't till I was a 3 or better that I won or got on the podium at a race(not counting tt's).
Same here. I've had better results in the 3s and the P/1/2s than I did in the 4s.
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That makes me feel better. I have 2 third places among the 9 top tens.
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I got 15 of my 20 points as a 4 in 2 days: won a RR sprint, took a crit field sprint for 2nd. The way to do it is not to just race a lot, but to peak and race a lot while you're fast.
The only thing about this is that there are so many other factors in racing other than fitness. It's a risk, nonetheless
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i never upgraded from the 3s. back in the early nineties i had 3x the amount of points necessary to upgrade to a 2 but i didn't do it and stopped racing to concentrate on school. i had 24 of the 25 points needed at one point last year but then some of them expired. if i ever stop just riding around and actually have a training program i might finally get the upgrade.
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Similar story .... more like 26 (?) years ago for me ..... won a couple of races one weekend and Sue basically tapped me on the shoulder and told me time to upgrade to 2. You must have had lots of cat 3 points back then, how did you miss going to 2 ?
For a long time it was "Top 3 in 3 races, top 6 in 6" and I rarely, if ever, placed in the top 6. Other than those three Cat 4 races (one of them a collegiate race), I haven't won a proper one day, non-series race. I only started placing consistently about 3-5 years later.

I never had enough points to upgrade to 2. Years where I had a lot of points (28 I think was my max after my Belgium trip) the minimum to upgrade was 30 points (and you got bumped at 60). Other years you only needed something like 20? and I had 17 or 18.

One official offered to upgrade me to 2 after I got 3rd/2nd in a P123 race. The winner started sprinting at something like 500m to go and won, and I tried to go around a Cat 2, and after he took me all the way across the road - Limerock Raceway, maybe 3 lanes worth - the officials immediately swapped our places. The only thing was that there were like 12 starters, and I know the minimum field size for a race to count is much bigger than that. Plus I wasn't training much, 40-50 miles a week, and I felt unprepared to be upgraded. So I turned him down. Last time I got that close to an upgrade.

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never move up without the required points (except cat5's)
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