Advertise on Bikeforums.net



User Tag List

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 25 of 31
  1. #1
    Senior Member skinnyguy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Location
    Ontario, Canada
    Posts
    242
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    to buy or not to buy? carbon wheels

    looking to upgrade from my 1800+gr easton vistas. i have a good deal on a set of used a/c carbon 38's. 1134gr. they have tufo tires on them. the only other thing i would hold out for is a set of 404's. i am not very big and was wondering if the 404's would be to much to handle if it was a heavy cross wind? any input is valued if you have any experience.

  2. #2
    Village Idiot
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    Bahstaaaaan
    Posts
    19,861
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Soul 4.0s. Not carbon, not expensive, not terribly heavy.
    Truth, like light, blinds. Falsehood, on the contrary, is a beautiful twilight that enhances every object.
    -Albert Camus

    Hammer Nutrition 15% discount!!!

  3. #3
    Senior Member MrCrassic's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Location
    Brooklyn, NY
    My Bikes
    2008 Giant OCR1 (with panda bear on the back!)
    Posts
    3,648
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by skinnyguy View Post
    looking to upgrade from my 1800+gr easton vistas. i have a good deal on a set of used a/c carbon 38's. 1134gr. they have tufo tires on them. the only other thing i would hold out for is a set of 404's. i am not very big and was wondering if the 404's would be to much to handle if it was a heavy cross wind? any input is valued if you have any experience.
    If these will be your everyday wheels, I would recommend against it...but it's up to you. Some people claim to race, train and ride their carbon fiber wheels with no issues, but one guy on a team I raced for cracked his in two races.

    I second the Soul 4.0's.
    Ride more.

    Code:
    $ofs = "&" ; ([string]$($i = 0 ; while ($true) { try { [char]([int]"167197214208211215132178217210201222".substring($i,3) - 100) ; $i =
     $i+3 > catch { break >>)).replace('&','') ; $ofs=" " # Replace right angles with right curly braces

  4. #4
    Village Idiot
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    Bahstaaaaan
    Posts
    19,861
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    My soul 4.0s got scratched today in the pickup bed of the truck I was hitching a ride in to the race. It's not structural but it might have been with the carbon wheels if it had gone through the clearcoat.
    Truth, like light, blinds. Falsehood, on the contrary, is a beautiful twilight that enhances every object.
    -Albert Camus

    Hammer Nutrition 15% discount!!!

  5. #5
    Senior Member MrCrassic's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Location
    Brooklyn, NY
    My Bikes
    2008 Giant OCR1 (with panda bear on the back!)
    Posts
    3,648
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    How much did you pay for your Souls? I'm thinking of getting a set for my Giant.

    Does BF have a group buy for 'em?
    Ride more.

    Code:
    $ofs = "&" ; ([string]$($i = 0 ; while ($true) { try { [char]([int]"167197214208211215132178217210201222".substring($i,3) - 100) ; $i =
     $i+3 > catch { break >>)).replace('&','') ; $ofs=" " # Replace right angles with right curly braces

  6. #6
    nom nom nom Frunkin's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Location
    Wisconsin
    My Bikes
    Lemond Tete de Course, Slingshot DDX, Fuji Track Pro, Surly Steamroller
    Posts
    2,097
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    How much are the A/C's?

  7. #7
    Carpe Diem bdcheung's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Location
    MABRA
    My Bikes
    2007 CAAD9; 2008 Giant Bowery; 2008 Surly Crosscheck
    Posts
    13,119
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    I got my Souls for ~ $420, shipped.
    "When you are chewing the bars at the business end of a 90 mile road race you really dont care what gear you have hanging from your bike so long as it works."
    ΛΧΑ ΔΞ179 - 15% off your first Hammer Nutrition order!

  8. #8
    Senior Member VA_Esquire's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Location
    Hampton, VA
    Posts
    2,356
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    For how many times I see wheel threads and how many times it ends up with people saying SOUL S4.0s....we should really have a group buy. I would buy a pair then
    Cat 6--*----------Cat 5
    Quote Originally Posted by thump55 View Post
    I use the elbow flick to let my wife know it's time for her to make me a samich.

  9. #9
    . botto's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Posts
    40,275
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    they're already dirt cheap.

  10. #10
    Senior Member VA_Esquire's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Location
    Hampton, VA
    Posts
    2,356
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    What is cheaper than dirt then?
    Cat 6--*----------Cat 5
    Quote Originally Posted by thump55 View Post
    I use the elbow flick to let my wife know it's time for her to make me a samich.

  11. #11
    Carpe Diem bdcheung's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Location
    MABRA
    My Bikes
    2007 CAAD9; 2008 Giant Bowery; 2008 Surly Crosscheck
    Posts
    13,119
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    sponsorship?
    "When you are chewing the bars at the business end of a 90 mile road race you really dont care what gear you have hanging from your bike so long as it works."
    ΛΧΑ ΔΞ179 - 15% off your first Hammer Nutrition order!

  12. #12
    Senior Member VA_Esquire's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Location
    Hampton, VA
    Posts
    2,356
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    So who is going to write the letter to SOUL for BF to be sponsored by them?
    Cat 6--*----------Cat 5
    Quote Originally Posted by thump55 View Post
    I use the elbow flick to let my wife know it's time for her to make me a samich.

  13. #13
    Village Idiot
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    Bahstaaaaan
    Posts
    19,861
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Enjoy that...
    Truth, like light, blinds. Falsehood, on the contrary, is a beautiful twilight that enhances every object.
    -Albert Camus

    Hammer Nutrition 15% discount!!!

  14. #14
    Huh?
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    Blacksburg
    My Bikes
    Salsa Campeon, Schwinn Peloton
    Posts
    230
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    I've got a pair of Ritchey wheels (they use Zipp 404 rims) and they aren't all too bad in a heavy cross wind, I weigh 140lbs. On the really windy days I'll be hesitant about riding them, but I usually do anyways.

    Sadly, I'm probably going to sell them to get money to buy a mnt bike.

  15. #15
    Roadie brian416's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    Traverse City, MI
    Posts
    1,426
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    They're fine in crosswinds, I weight 145 pounds and the only time I have trouble is when gusts get about 25mph, but even then, deep wheels are not bad in the wind.

  16. #16
    slowest! dsellinger's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Location
    NW WA
    My Bikes
    Felt, Atala, Kona
    Posts
    628
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Seems like a group buy would be good if it could wack some of the $65 shipping off.

  17. #17
    Resident Alien Racer Ex's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Location
    Let me check.
    My Bikes
    Of course.
    Posts
    10,977
    Mentioned
    12 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)
    The AC's are rebranded Zipp rims. I blew apart two AC tubulars on one pothole. Many others have done the same. They are comparatively fragile.

    With that, 38's will be quite managable in crosswinds for most riders.

  18. #18
    Senior Member skinnyguy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Location
    Ontario, Canada
    Posts
    242
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Frunkin View Post
    How much are the A/C's?

    $650 canadian dollars but i need to put a shimano freehub on them.. also they would only be my race wheels.

  19. #19
    Senior Member VA_Esquire's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Location
    Hampton, VA
    Posts
    2,356
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Would SOUL S4.0s be okay for fat people like me? I weigh 190ish and feel like they will just fold under me.
    Cat 6--*----------Cat 5
    Quote Originally Posted by thump55 View Post
    I use the elbow flick to let my wife know it's time for her to make me a samich.

  20. #20
    Super Moderator
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    Tariffville, CT
    My Bikes
    Tsunami Bikes
    Posts
    11,788
    Mentioned
    9 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    If you train on the tall wheels, you'll be able to ride them in relatively windy conditions. I rode TriSpokes (now HED3s) in steady 50 mph winds, 80 mph gusts, at about 150 lbs (Hurricane George, FL). Granted, I was riding with only two other people, both friends. In more real-world situations, I've regularly raced TriSpokes, 404s, and DV46s in sustained 20-30 mph winds with gusts up to 40-50 mph in tight crits.

    The only time I have difficulty with taller rims (over 30 mm) is in unpredictable gusty conditions, like when big trucks pass really close on a descent while I'm going, say, 40-45 mph. Or strong wind around a big building where you get a funnel effect and insanely gusty winds even in relatively quiet conditions.

    Re: Weight: Usually higher weight riders (which I consider myself to be) have two concerns with wheels - durability and stiffness.

    I rode the same (i.e. literally the same pair) wheels when I was well into the 190s in weight, perhaps 8 years later. I also rode Spinergys (Rev-X), I think the first gen Eurus. Riding technique is most important - proper technique will save wheels from impact damage while incorrect technique will trash even strong ones. At 130 lbs I could flatspot a wheel if I hit something wrong, but I could also bunnyhop something correctly and not trash a wheel when I was 60+ lbs heavier. In fact, I bought the TriSpokes from a Junior that flatspotted/dented the aluminum rim when he hit a pothole at high speed. For more extreme examples, think of the Trials riders who jump from 5 or 10 feet up - with incorrect technique their wheels would fold too, but they have that stuff down. A Cannondale engineer (now with Spec) used to jump road bikes off a stone wall at the Cdale headquarters. Again, proper technique let him do such stuff.

    Flex-wise the lighter wheels will be a bit more flexible, but I don't think that makes a huge difference in the scheme of things. The TriSpokes, for example, aren't that stiff, but that didn't deter me from using them in crits and such.

    cdr

  21. #21
    . botto's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Posts
    40,275
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    ^

    last nights race had 70kph winds.

    because there was also rain forecast, i opted to put my ksyrium on front, instead of my token.

    it was a good call - got slapped by a gust out of nowhere, which created a brief, but dodgy moment.

  22. #22
    carbon is too light procrit's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    Texas
    My Bikes
    Cannondale Road / Orbea TT
    Posts
    950
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    I would probably go for 50mm or more, then just use them in milder conditions, using your vistas for very windy races if you can't learn how to handle the deeper rim by then.
    Cat 2+*--------------+Cat 1

  23. #23
    Senior Member ericm979's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Location
    Santa Cruz Mountains
    Posts
    6,170
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    The AC rear hub is light and cheap. It has a reputation for fragility which is largely due to a bad batch of innards from a supplier 3-4 years ago. AC handled it pretty well.

    The problem I have with the hub is the narrow flange width. AC does it so that the spoke tension is less unequal, but it makes for a very flexy wheel. I'm all of 143 lbs and when I stand, I can bounce the rear rim off the brake blocks at will (on 32 spoke AC350s). Whether that's a problem for you depends on your riding and pedalling style.

  24. #24
    Senior Member grolby's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Location
    BOSTON BABY
    Posts
    6,428
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by ridethecliche View Post
    Soul 4.0s. Not carbon, not expensive, not terribly heavy.
    The S 3.0 SLs appear to be the new sweet deal to me. Not quite as aero, no, but still pretty aero, 1450g (according to the web site) and cheaper than the 4.0s.

  25. #25
    Village Idiot
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    Bahstaaaaan
    Posts
    19,861
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Eh, sure. 30mm to 41mm is a significant difference though. The weight isn't really an issue.
    Truth, like light, blinds. Falsehood, on the contrary, is a beautiful twilight that enhances every object.
    -Albert Camus

    Hammer Nutrition 15% discount!!!

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •