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    Junior Gears...what age do they not apply anymore?

    So I've just turned 18 and my next race is in 2 weeks, but what I am not sure about is whether or not I still have to use junior gearing in this race (I will be racing cat 4). I definitely hope that I do not have to use them, because I am a lower cadence (at least in my opinion -around 90-94rpm) kind of guy that tends to do worse rather than better when the cadence approaches 110-120, which is what would happen when trying to throw an attack at 29+mph. Thanks to anyone who can share this knowledge!

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    Your racing age is 18, so you need to use them for the rest of the year. Sucks to be you.

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    52x14 at 120 rpm ~35 MPH. You should be fine.

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    damn...i thought i was finally done with those stupid things - ugh!

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    veloboy becomes veloman?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gambutrol View Post
    veloboy becomes veloman?
    not until 2010

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gambutrol View Post
    veloboy becomes veloman?
    definitely not until he learns to read the rulebook himself, it's not a bedtime story

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    Quote Originally Posted by brett_beddow View Post
    52x14 at 120 rpm ~35 mph. You should be fine.
    +1

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    Don't run jr gears and simply don't go to rollout.
    Problem----->Solution.


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    If he just turned 18 wouldn't that make his racing age 19?

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    Quote Originally Posted by saratoga View Post
    don't run jr gears and simply don't go to rollout.
    Problem----->solution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ljrichar View Post
    If he just turned 18 wouldn't that make his racing age 19?
    Racing age is your age on December 31.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brett_beddow View Post
    52x14 at 120 rpm ~35 MPH. You should be fine.
    a JR friend of mine isn't racing JR but in the cats. 52x14 at 35 mph might sound ok to you but he was running top 5 in on crit until the final sprint and well...40mph was the finish speed.

    He was out of gear and lost 7 places.

    In another race, the back portion of the crit had a downslope and the speeds got close to 40 again. He would lose ground there and make it back up close to the end of the lap.

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    ^ So your friend needed to spin a little under 140rpm in the final sprint. to win a 40mph sprint.

    That is not an unreasonable rpm for a sprint. Teaching juniors to spin a high rpm is part of the reason for the junior gear restrictions.
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    Everyone should be forced to use Jr. gears. They will get you really really fit aerobically and force you to develop a good smooth cadence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by merlinextraligh View Post
    ^ So your friend needed to spin a little under 140rpm in the final sprint. to win a 40mph sprint.

    That is not an unreasonable rpm for a sprint. Teaching juniors to spin a high rpm is part of the reason for the junior gear restrictions.
    must be nice to always be right.

    the rule is idiotic. No gear restrictions in MTB racing (which he does) or when he does team tri racing (which he also does).


    We've got a pic of him drafting off of David Talbott in a crit race a couple of years ago. We just couldn't believe Talbott raced in such a small race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rutnick View Post
    must be nice to always be right.

    the rule is idiotic. No gear restrictions in MTB racing (which he does) or when he does team tri racing (which he also does).


    We've got a pic of him drafting off of David Talbott in a crit race a couple of years ago. We just couldn't believe Talbott raced in such a small race.
    And all of that has what to do with what I posted?

    Simply applying math to your example, leads to a cadence below 140 for the sprint.

    That is not an unreasonable cadence for a sprint, and a good thing to develop for a road racer.

    Whether your friend races MTB or Tri has nothing to do with the wisdom, or lack thereof, of the junior gear rules for road racing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by merlinextraligh View Post
    And all of that has what to do with what I posted?

    Simply applying math to your example, leads to a cadence below 140 for the sprint.

    That is not an unreasonable cadence for a sprint, and a good thing to develop for a road racer.

    Whether your friend races MTB or Tri has nothing to do with the wisdom, or lack thereof, of the junior gear rules for road racing.
    the gear restriction for JR racing is idiotic.

    What it means is that there is ZERO restrictions in other types of racing that he does. The whole point (or so they say) is to help the rider yet other racing has no restrictions but it wouldn't be the first time that a rule in cycling makes no sense.

    I'm not the kid's coach so I'll let that guy guide him.

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    Being able to spin 120rpms plus has little to no advantage in mountain bike racing, or triathlon.

    It does have an advantage in road racing. Thus your examples are irrelevant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by merlinextraligh View Post
    Being able to spin 120rpms plus has little to no advantage in mountain bike racing, or triathlon.

    It does have an advantage in road racing. Thus your examples are irrelevant.
    it must be nice to always be right and to know everything about cycling.

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    ^ If you've got a disagreement, you could try stating it with some facts or analysis.

    I've made reasoned arguments based on personal experience, observation, and simple math. Feel free to differ with facts, or analysis. Rather, you continue to make ad hominem attacks, the common fall back for someone who has nothing to support his position.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rutnick View Post
    must be nice to always be right...
    the rule is idiotic. No gear restrictions in MTB racing (which he does) or when he does team tri racing (which he also does).
    Quote Originally Posted by Rutnick View Post
    the gear restriction for JR racing is idiotic..
    What it means is that there is ZERO restrictions in other types of racing that he does...
    Quote Originally Posted by Rutnick View Post
    it must be nice to always be right and to know everything about cycling.
    Is anyone else seeing some redundancy here? Did Rutnick forget to take his meds?
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    The rule is also there to help protect Junior's knees. Training yes, but also physiological.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Barker View Post
    The rule is also there to help protect Junior's knees. Training yes, but also physiological.
    When I raced as a junior, this was the only reason I was ever given for the restriction. I also raced as an intermediate, where the gear restriction was even lower. I never got to experience a sprint as an intermediate though because all my races ended up as "mass start time trials" since the pack of 6 blew apart in the first mile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rutnick View Post
    it must be nice to always be right and to know everything about cycling.
    Feel free to respond like a grownup and explain why he's wrong if you think he is.
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