Cavendish is off the charts
06-06-09, 08:13 PM
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06-06-09, 09:55 PM
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I am only a couple kg lighter and some 300w lower... that extra amount comes from some SERIOUS body strength to get sufficient pedal force. 1680 is not an unheard of absolute number but I am averaging over 100% of my body weight in crank torque and still not close to the dude.
06-06-09, 10:02 PM
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06-06-09, 10:23 PM
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It would seem to me that W/kg has little meaning in a sprint unless it's a significant uphill finish. His numbers, by themselves, aren't overwhelmingly impressive. He very rightly thanks his team after a winning sprint with hugs and kisses because it's the teamwork of his leadout train which is largely responsible for his consistency. He's the nail at the end of a big ass hammer driving him home.
This is very much not to take away anything from his sprinting ability. He has obviously earned the right to be the Sprinter and he can obviously win races on his own. But his team is a very large part of his success.
This is very much not to take away anything from his sprinting ability. He has obviously earned the right to be the Sprinter and he can obviously win races on his own. But his team is a very large part of his success.
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06-07-09, 04:12 AM
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my numbers are very close...except fot the 5" where you smoke me by 2W/kg; and, i've been testing in those times; the 1' and 5' tests are make me want to bark a lung up; yet again...technique to the rescue; in middle NC it's hard to find a flat 1', let alone 5', stretch without getting way out of town; downhills make power tests lower; solution? stand and pedal with anger on the downhills to keep the watts up; works for FT too; anger is modulated per test - more for short, less for long
i'll bet that if you actually tested yourself in the other ranges your numbers would rise significantly
06-07-09, 05:05 AM
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i suck more than you do
my numbers are very close...except fot the 5" where you smoke me by 2W/kg; and, i've been testing in those times; the 1' and 5' tests are make me want to bark a lung up; yet again...technique to the rescue; in middle NC it's hard to find a flat 1', let alone 5', stretch without getting way out of town; downhills make power tests lower; solution? stand and pedal with anger on the downhills to keep the watts up; works for FT too; anger is modulated per test - more for short, less for long
i'll bet that if you actually tested yourself in the other ranges your numbers would rise significantly
my numbers are very close...except fot the 5" where you smoke me by 2W/kg; and, i've been testing in those times; the 1' and 5' tests are make me want to bark a lung up; yet again...technique to the rescue; in middle NC it's hard to find a flat 1', let alone 5', stretch without getting way out of town; downhills make power tests lower; solution? stand and pedal with anger on the downhills to keep the watts up; works for FT too; anger is modulated per test - more for short, less for long
i'll bet that if you actually tested yourself in the other ranges your numbers would rise significantly
Also, I'm a 4 trying to get to the 3's so...
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06-07-09, 05:10 AM
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it's how he gets his jump.
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06-07-09, 03:54 PM
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He weighs 1 kg less than I do, and his 5" power is 500 watts more than mine.
Holy hell. Maybe I should call it quits now.
Holy hell. Maybe I should call it quits now.
06-07-09, 06:34 PM
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Wow, cav's 5 sec power is borderline unimpressive for the results he gets. Cippolini and Zabel are rumored to top over 2000w. Hell, Taylor Phinney is around 2000w.
Cav's strength isn't raw (5s) power, though...it's holding some 1200w for 30 sec. I'd guess his biggest advantage is that he's probably the most aerodynamic ProTour sprinter.
Cav's strength isn't raw (5s) power, though...it's holding some 1200w for 30 sec. I'd guess his biggest advantage is that he's probably the most aerodynamic ProTour sprinter.
06-07-09, 06:36 PM
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aerodynamics is certainly his advantage.
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06-07-09, 06:53 PM
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Wow, cav's 5 sec power is borderline unimpressive for the results he gets. Cippolini and Zabel are rumored to top over 2000w. Hell, Taylor Phinney is around 2000w.
Cav's strength isn't raw (5s) power, though...it's holding some 1200w for 30 sec. I'd guess his biggest advantage is that he's probably the most aerodynamic ProTour sprinter.
Cav's strength isn't raw (5s) power, though...it's holding some 1200w for 30 sec. I'd guess his biggest advantage is that he's probably the most aerodynamic ProTour sprinter.
06-07-09, 06:55 PM
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Wow, cav's 5 sec power is borderline unimpressive for the results he gets. Cippolini and Zabel are rumored to top over 2000w. Hell, Taylor Phinney is around 2000w.
Cav's strength isn't raw (5s) power, though...it's holding some 1200w for 30 sec. I'd guess his biggest advantage is that he's probably the most aerodynamic ProTour sprinter.
Cav's strength isn't raw (5s) power, though...it's holding some 1200w for 30 sec. I'd guess his biggest advantage is that he's probably the most aerodynamic ProTour sprinter.
06-07-09, 07:49 PM
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Besides, sprints are rarely won on power alone. Cavendish's power profile is not terribly impressive to me (my best 4s is 1660W; don't have a good number for 5s). But he obviously knows how to sprint, and is better at applying what he has at the correct moment to win the sprint.
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06-07-09, 08:57 PM
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thought about it....I have real issues with cadences over 120. I've got a buddy that was a collegiate track national champion in the late 90s and he can be seated spinning 160+ no problem in a sprint. But I suppose all things are learned. Now I just need to find a track near me and instantly change from 26years old to 16 haha.
06-07-09, 10:04 PM
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I'm 68kg and my 5 second power is just over 1000 watts. My sprint really sucks, and my FTP is really nothing to brag about. My 5 minute power is the thing that keeps me with the pack. Every time I've done the power testing protocol, my 5 minute power (in w/kg) is my highest value, and as a whole most road race courses around here tend to have multiple 3-6 minute climbs.
06-07-09, 10:27 PM
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Cav is weaksauce. His power numbers are obviously too low. Half of BF could beat him in a sprint.
06-07-09, 10:35 PM
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haha...there's probably only a handful of people on here that can hit over 1500watts for 1 sec. I do have to admit when I saw the 5 sec number I said "is that it" but that is because I was under the impression that most pro sprinters could easily hit the 2000w range. I mean hell, Phinney maxed out his powertap a few months ago according to twitter and he isn't even at peak development yet. He is going to be a beast in a few years.
06-07-09, 11:23 PM
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apparently
yes. (maybe intentional mis-information? or unintentional misunderstanding of information from unnamed 3rd party source?)
Hell no.
His power numbers are obviously too low.
Half of BF could beat him in a sprint.
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