Cycling and bicycle discussion forums. 
   Click here to join our community Log in to access your Control Panel  


Go Back   > >

"The 33"-Road Bike Racing We set this forum up for our members to discuss their experiences in either pro or amateur racing, whether they are the big races, or even the small backyard races. Don't forget to update all the members with your own race results.

User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 06-06-09, 03:23 PM   #1
macilvennon
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
macilvennon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Bikes:
Posts: 11
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Carbon Road Wheels - ??

Hi,
I am looking to buy a good set of Carbon Deep section road wheels. I want to use them for road races and time trials and they need to be light enough for climbing.

I have been looking at Zipp 404 or Easton EC90 Aero wheelsets. I would prefer clincher wheels, but would also consider tubulars.

Which wheels would you recommend?

Thanks, BK.
macilvennon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-06-09, 03:35 PM   #2
umd
Banned
 
umd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Santa Barbara, CA
Bikes: Specialized Tarmac SL2, Specialized Tarmac SL, Giant TCR Composite, Specialized StumpJumper Expert HT
Posts: 28,387
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)


Seriously, are you people blind?
umd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-06-09, 03:56 PM   #3
kayakdiver
ah.... sure.
 
kayakdiver's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Whidbey Island WA
Bikes: Specialized.... schwinn..... enough to fill my needs..
Posts: 4,107
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)

Last edited by kayakdiver; 06-06-09 at 04:00 PM.
kayakdiver is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-06-09, 04:02 PM   #4
airosen
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Toronto, ON
Bikes: 2007 Trek 1500, 1998 Raleigh Tarantula
Posts: 378
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I really don't see the problem. This forum has way more traffic.
airosen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-06-09, 04:05 PM   #5
^oZ
shut up legs
 
^oZ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Mokum
Bikes:
Posts: 1,413
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by airosen View Post
I really don't see the problem. This forum has way more traffic.
That's the problem
^oZ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-06-09, 04:12 PM   #6
umd
Banned
 
umd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Santa Barbara, CA
Bikes: Specialized Tarmac SL2, Specialized Tarmac SL, Giant TCR Composite, Specialized StumpJumper Expert HT
Posts: 28,387
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by airosen View Post
I really don't see the problem. This forum has way more traffic.
More traffic traffic maybe, but less useful traffic. If you want intelligent answers about racing you are better off in the racing forum.
umd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-06-09, 04:17 PM   #7
Cateye
Senior Member
 
Cateye's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Lactate Threshold
Bikes: Orbea
Posts: 584
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Get the Zipps.
Cateye is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-06-09, 04:44 PM   #8
Youngin
ub3r n00b
 
Youngin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Minnesota
Bikes: Bianchi Via Nirone, Trek 6000SS, Zebrakanko FG
Posts: 1,368
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Get the Eastons.
Youngin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-06-09, 04:49 PM   #9
AEO
Senior Member
 
AEO's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: A Coffin Called Earth. or Toronto, ON
Bikes: Bianchi, Miyata, Dahon, Rossin
Posts: 12,258
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Get both.
__________________
Food for thought: if you aren't dead by 2050, you and your entire family will be within a few years from starvation. Now that is a cruel gift to leave for your offspring. ;)
http://sanfrancisco.ibtimes.com/arti...ger-photos.htm
AEO is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-06-09, 04:56 PM   #10
patentcad
Peloton Dog
 
patentcad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Chester, NY
Bikes: 2013 Scott Foil, 2014 Scott Addict, 2008 Cervelo P3 (TT), 2015 Scott Scale 700SL MTB
Posts: 59,454
Mentioned: 9 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 60 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by umd View Post
If you want intelligent answers about racing you are better off consulting a psychic with a ouija board.
Fixed.
patentcad is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-06-09, 04:59 PM   #11
umd
Banned
 
umd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Santa Barbara, CA
Bikes: Specialized Tarmac SL2, Specialized Tarmac SL, Giant TCR Composite, Specialized StumpJumper Expert HT
Posts: 28,387
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by patentcad View Post
Fixed.
I did say better off, not that you would be consulting the all-knowing oracle to get the perfect answer.
umd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-06-09, 05:14 PM   #12
AEO
Senior Member
 
AEO's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: A Coffin Called Earth. or Toronto, ON
Bikes: Bianchi, Miyata, Dahon, Rossin
Posts: 12,258
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by cris2fur View Post
removed by mod
here you go, read this: Introduction to the Road Cycling Forum: References and Newbie Questions Answered Here
__________________
Food for thought: if you aren't dead by 2050, you and your entire family will be within a few years from starvation. Now that is a cruel gift to leave for your offspring. ;)
http://sanfrancisco.ibtimes.com/arti...ger-photos.htm

Last edited by DrPete; 06-07-09 at 03:08 AM.
AEO is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-06-09, 05:15 PM   #13
cslone
Quarq shill
 
cslone's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Ohio
Bikes: 08 Felt F4, 05 Fuji Team SL, 08 Planet X Stealth, 10 Kona Jake the Snake, 03 Giant OCR flat bar.
Posts: 3,962
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by cris2fur View Post
removed by mod
Yep, AND more knowledgeable.

Last edited by DrPete; 06-07-09 at 03:08 AM.
cslone is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-07-09, 07:46 AM   #14
macilvennon
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
macilvennon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Bikes:
Posts: 11
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Thanks you those who gave an answer. For those of you who called me blind I would say Foxtrot Oscar !
macilvennon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-07-09, 07:51 AM   #15
umd
Banned
 
umd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Santa Barbara, CA
Bikes: Specialized Tarmac SL2, Specialized Tarmac SL, Giant TCR Composite, Specialized StumpJumper Expert HT
Posts: 28,387
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by macilvennon View Post
Thanks you those who gave an answer. For those of you who called me blind I would say Foxtrot Oscar !
So did you not see the racing forum or did you just not care? I don't have any experience with either of the wheels you mentioned but I do know that you will get better answers in the racing forum. I just don't understand why so many people don't "see" it when they post.
umd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-07-09, 08:18 AM   #16
Ryon
Lanky G-Raf
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: San Diego, California USA
Bikes: Giant TCR0 aluminum/carbon with ultegra components. Sintesi (Italian) lugged steel road bike, circa 1987.
Posts: 146
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
It was a question about gear to use while racing...

Tubular wheels will be a little less expensive than clinchers. If you ever flat during a race you're pretty much done anyway. Many people will claim lower rolling resistance on tubulars. I'll attest to a smoother ride. And you can run them anywhere from 60-160psi, depending on the race you're doing.
Ryon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-07-09, 09:07 AM   #17
cslone
Quarq shill
 
cslone's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Ohio
Bikes: 08 Felt F4, 05 Fuji Team SL, 08 Planet X Stealth, 10 Kona Jake the Snake, 03 Giant OCR flat bar.
Posts: 3,962
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
1. How are tubulars less than equivalent clincher?
2. The tubular/clincher crr debate is still up in the air. The extra steps you need to go through to get the rr the same is probably going to turn 95% of racers away from tubulars.(recent tests from Al Morrison(AFM) on biketechreview.com says something like 3 tubes of glue PER WHEEL with a tubular to match a top clincher with latex tube)
3. Running them at 160 will do nothing but shake your fillings out.

I did the tubular thing for a couple of years, and still do for cross, but in this day the average racer will be just fine on a top quality clincher.
cslone is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-07-09, 09:28 AM   #18
Hocam
Ho-Jahm
 
Hocam's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Manchester, NH
Bikes:
Posts: 4,228
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
There's also the ~200 gram difference between carbon tubulars and carbon clincher wheelset, plus the weight difference of the tires/tubes. ~180-200 grams for a clincher + ~60 grams for a latex tube vs. ~220 grams for a tubular with tube and glue.

I figure weight difference for tubular vs. clincher wheelsets and tires is ~250-300 grams but I could be mistaken on the tire weights.

Just for the record, rotating weight doesn't mean anything.
Hocam is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-07-09, 09:58 AM   #19
Racer Ex 
Resident Alien
 
Racer Ex's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Location, location.
Bikes:
Posts: 12,526
Mentioned: 20 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 43 Post(s)
I've been racing the Token C-50's (clinchers) for two seasons now. Absolutely top notch wheel and VERY tough. I've had fantastic luck with Reynolds tubulars, and found Zipp tubulars to be as durable as saltine crackers. Easton was using rebranded saltine rims but have switched sources on their new product. The Zipp clinchers have less of an issue with durability, but are priced well above a lot of other offerings.

Two teammates have the Reynolds clinchers and love them.
Racer Ex is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-07-09, 10:10 AM   #20
El Diablo Rojo
Banned.
 
El Diablo Rojo's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: ATX, Ex So Cal
Bikes: Ridley Noah-Scott Addict-Orbea Ordu
Posts: 11,058
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
+1 on the Reynolds. DT Swiss hubs, very strong and light.
El Diablo Rojo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-07-09, 01:20 PM   #21
botto 
.
 
botto's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Bikes:
Posts: 40,362
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Racer Ex View Post
I've been racing the Token C-50's (clinchers) for two seasons now. Absolutely top notch wheel and VERY tough. I've had fantastic luck with Reynolds tubulars, and found Zipp tubulars to be as durable as saltine crackers. Easton was using rebranded saltine rims but have switched sources on their new product. The Zipp clinchers have less of an issue with durability, but are priced well above a lot of other offerings.

Two teammates have the Reynolds clinchers and love them.
not as tough as i thought.

the ping i heard during tonight's race was a broken spoke (on the rear wheel drive side).

i'm far from heavy. maybe my cottage of wattage was in overdrive?

guess they were tough enough that i didn't notice until after the race.

Last edited by botto; 09-07-09 at 02:31 PM.
botto is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-07-09, 01:39 PM   #22
Grumpy McTrumpy
gmt
 
Grumpy McTrumpy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Binghamton, NY
Bikes:
Posts: 12,452
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 18 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by cslone View Post
Al Morrison(AFM) on biketechreview.com says something like 3 tubes of glue PER WHEEL with a tubular to match a top clincher with latex tube)
incorrect.

3 coats of glue on the rim and 2 on the tire = around 1.25 tube
Grumpy McTrumpy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-07-09, 02:22 PM   #23
mollusk
Elite Fred
 
mollusk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Edge City
Bikes: 2009 Spooky (cracked frame), 2006 Curtlo, 2002 Lemond (current race bike) Zurich, 1987 Serotta Colorado, 1986 Cannondale for commuting, a 1984 Cannondale on loan to my son
Posts: 10,762
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4 Post(s)
Paging Psimet...

Psimet, are you out there?

To the OP: Find a post by Psimet and click on his signature. That is the deal on aero carbon wheels.
mollusk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-07-09, 04:22 PM   #24
Psimet2001 
I eat carbide.
 
Psimet2001's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Elgin, IL
Bikes: Lots. Van Dessel and Squid Dealer
Posts: 19,705
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Thanks for the mention. I do have 50mm carbon clinchers and tubulars right now. Same rim as Token,neuvation,Williams,planetx,Blackwell,etc.

Mine are 24f/28r drilling though and this is what makes the difference. You can select whatever hubs and spokes and lacing you want as well.

Prices are unbeatable. End commercial.
Psimet2001 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-07-09, 04:51 PM   #25
MtnRide
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Kalifornia
Bikes: '07 Excalibur, '08 Anthem 1, and some others
Posts: 287
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Psimet2001 View Post
Thanks for the mention. I do have 50mm carbon clinchers and tubulars right now. Same rim as Token,neuvation,Williams,planetx,Blackwell,etc.
I didn't think Williams sells 50mm wheels? Maybe he used to, I dunno...
MtnRide is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 11:05 AM.