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Old 06-06-09, 03:23 PM
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Carbon Road Wheels - ??

Hi,
I am looking to buy a good set of Carbon Deep section road wheels. I want to use them for road races and time trials and they need to be light enough for climbing.

I have been looking at Zipp 404 or Easton EC90 Aero wheelsets. I would prefer clincher wheels, but would also consider tubulars.

Which wheels would you recommend?

Thanks, BK.
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Seriously, are you people blind?
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I really don't see the problem. This forum has way more traffic.
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Originally Posted by airosen
I really don't see the problem. This forum has way more traffic.
That's the problem
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Originally Posted by airosen
I really don't see the problem. This forum has way more traffic.
More traffic traffic maybe, but less useful traffic. If you want intelligent answers about racing you are better off in the racing forum.
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Get the Zipps.
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Get the Eastons.
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Originally Posted by umd
If you want intelligent answers about racing you are better off consulting a psychic with a ouija board.
Fixed.
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Originally Posted by patentcad
Fixed.
I did say better off, not that you would be consulting the all-knowing oracle to get the perfect answer.
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Originally Posted by cris2fur
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here you go, read this: https://www.bikeforums.net/road-cycling/470422-introduction-road-cycling-forum.html
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Originally Posted by cris2fur
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Yep, AND more knowledgeable.

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Thanks you those who gave an answer. For those of you who called me blind I would say Foxtrot Oscar !
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Originally Posted by macilvennon
Thanks you those who gave an answer. For those of you who called me blind I would say Foxtrot Oscar !
So did you not see the racing forum or did you just not care? I don't have any experience with either of the wheels you mentioned but I do know that you will get better answers in the racing forum. I just don't understand why so many people don't "see" it when they post.
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It was a question about gear to use while racing...

Tubular wheels will be a little less expensive than clinchers. If you ever flat during a race you're pretty much done anyway. Many people will claim lower rolling resistance on tubulars. I'll attest to a smoother ride. And you can run them anywhere from 60-160psi, depending on the race you're doing.
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1. How are tubulars less than equivalent clincher?
2. The tubular/clincher crr debate is still up in the air. The extra steps you need to go through to get the rr the same is probably going to turn 95% of racers away from tubulars.(recent tests from Al Morrison(AFM) on biketechreview.com says something like 3 tubes of glue PER WHEEL with a tubular to match a top clincher with latex tube)
3. Running them at 160 will do nothing but shake your fillings out.

I did the tubular thing for a couple of years, and still do for cross, but in this day the average racer will be just fine on a top quality clincher.
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There's also the ~200 gram difference between carbon tubulars and carbon clincher wheelset, plus the weight difference of the tires/tubes. ~180-200 grams for a clincher + ~60 grams for a latex tube vs. ~220 grams for a tubular with tube and glue.

I figure weight difference for tubular vs. clincher wheelsets and tires is ~250-300 grams but I could be mistaken on the tire weights.

Just for the record, rotating weight doesn't mean anything.
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I've been racing the Token C-50's (clinchers) for two seasons now. Absolutely top notch wheel and VERY tough. I've had fantastic luck with Reynolds tubulars, and found Zipp tubulars to be as durable as saltine crackers. Easton was using rebranded saltine rims but have switched sources on their new product. The Zipp clinchers have less of an issue with durability, but are priced well above a lot of other offerings.

Two teammates have the Reynolds clinchers and love them.
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+1 on the Reynolds. DT Swiss hubs, very strong and light.
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Originally Posted by Racer Ex
I've been racing the Token C-50's (clinchers) for two seasons now. Absolutely top notch wheel and VERY tough. I've had fantastic luck with Reynolds tubulars, and found Zipp tubulars to be as durable as saltine crackers. Easton was using rebranded saltine rims but have switched sources on their new product. The Zipp clinchers have less of an issue with durability, but are priced well above a lot of other offerings.

Two teammates have the Reynolds clinchers and love them.
not as tough as i thought.

the ping i heard during tonight's race was a broken spoke (on the rear wheel drive side).

i'm far from heavy. maybe my cottage of wattage was in overdrive?

guess they were tough enough that i didn't notice until after the race.

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Originally Posted by cslone
Al Morrison(AFM) on biketechreview.com says something like 3 tubes of glue PER WHEEL with a tubular to match a top clincher with latex tube)
incorrect.

3 coats of glue on the rim and 2 on the tire = around 1.25 tube
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Paging Psimet...

Psimet, are you out there?

To the OP: Find a post by Psimet and click on his signature. That is the deal on aero carbon wheels.
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Thanks for the mention. I do have 50mm carbon clinchers and tubulars right now. Same rim as Token,neuvation,Williams,planetx,Blackwell,etc.

Mine are 24f/28r drilling though and this is what makes the difference. You can select whatever hubs and spokes and lacing you want as well.

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Originally Posted by Psimet2001
Thanks for the mention. I do have 50mm carbon clinchers and tubulars right now. Same rim as Token,neuvation,Williams,planetx,Blackwell,etc.
I didn't think Williams sells 50mm wheels? Maybe he used to, I dunno...
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