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    2x20's on the road or trainer?

    Which do you do? I've tried both methods and what I find is that I'm bored to death on the trainer, but I haven't found a great location to do it on the road. I have to many hills and stop lights around me to get 20 minute interval in that doesn't blow apart.

    Any advice for doing these threshold intervals in a hilly urban area?

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    Trainer all the way for me....too hard to maintain the pace outdoors. I pop in a race DVD and time flies by.

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    couldn't imagine going as hard as I could on the trainer for 20 min

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    Quote Originally Posted by challaday View Post
    Which do you do? I've tried both methods and what I find is that I'm bored to death on the trainer, but I haven't found a great location to do it on the road. I have to many hills and stop lights around me to get 20 minute interval in that doesn't blow apart.

    Any advice for doing these threshold intervals in a hilly urban area?
    no time trials near you?


    I'd opt for the trainer then. I do that in the winter anyway.

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    Considering the time I do my 20s, I opt for the trainer. Not too many places around me to go out and not slow down for intersections, lights, and such.

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    I have a nice right hand loop, light free and low traffic about 7 miles away. There's a small hill but its only a slight issue on the descent.
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    racing takes place on the road. racing requires going fast on the road. IMO, training on the road is ALWAYS best when feasible. I think rhythm on the bike is super important, and that doesnt come from riding the trainer. learning how to keep power up on downhills and manage efforts in that situation is necessary, because, well, racing takes place on the road.

    try them on the road, I'll bet even though you get there in a different way, your AP will be within a few watts of an effort on the trainer, and you'll have what is a more realistic representation of the efforts necessary for competing in races.

    that being said, if you cant do them on the road because of time considerations or whatever, I'm pretty sure 2x20s on the trainer are better than 0x20s.

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    Agree on the road aspect if you can work it. It's really hard (for me) to use a trainer to model the feel of going from flat to uphill while going hard at it.
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    I dont have a 20 minute stretch of road around here (fit for cycling at least) so I use the trainer when I test. If its just a 2x20 workout I make do with the roads I have
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    My terrain is way too rolling. If my wkout is very specific, I hit the trainer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SushiJoe View Post
    My terrain is way too rolling. If my wkout is very specific, I hit the trainer.
    so your racing doesnt require you to go fast on rolling terrain?

    plus, you're in nebraska, the curvature of the earth doesnt classify as rolling.

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    Have a road here where I can go for about 40 mins uninterrupted.

    I would do 2x20's there, except I don't really do them anymore. Shorter LT intervals for me.
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    I'm lucky and have a stretch of road that the local clubs run TT's on. You can get up to about 10 miles of open road with no stop signs or lights. So when I'm serious about them, I drive up there and do a workout.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MDcatV View Post
    so your racing doesnt require you to go fast on rolling terrain?
    My racing requires a lot of stuff I ain't got.
    I was really only suggesting the trainer if someone wanted to do very specific workouts, like a 2 x 20.
    The rest of the time, go play bikes outside!

    Quote Originally Posted by MDcatV View Post
    plus, you're in nebraska, the curvature of the earth doesnt classify as rolling.
    Trust me. If you don't think it's rolling here, ask Vireo.
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    Living in southern California I abhor using the trainer if I can just get out on the road. The road has all the variables that you experience in "road racing" i.e. terrain, ambient temperature, winds (head, tail cross) and the one essential component you don't get at home-- the rabbit up the road

    On the other hand, the mental focus and discipline gained to achieve a solid 20 min TT effort on the trainer not only provides a physical benefit but a psychological advantage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vireo View Post

    On the other hand, the mental focus and discipline gained to achieve a solid 20 min TT effort on the trainer not only provides a physical benefit but a psychological advantage.
    i agree

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    The cooling winds of the road allow me to reach slightly higher power levels.
    Bring the pain.

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    I ride outside whenever possible. By about March 1 I am so sick of the trainer it gets to be a chore just to get up to the bonus room to climb on. Unfortunately, due to the time I train (5 AM) I don't really start getting out on the road until the first part of May (except for Saturdays and lunch rides) because of weather and darkness.

    I'm fortunate though when I do start training outside in the morning. I live on the edge of town and I have a perfect route where I can warm up for 10 min and hit it hard for 50 min with only having to deal with a few stoplights and two small hills. More often than not the lights are green (as this route is sort of an artery) or it's so early that there really isn't anything on the road to stop for yet .

    So yeah, barring weather or darkness, I'll pick outside every time!

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    I do them on rollers with Killer Headwind.

    I'd have to drive an hour to find a strech of road where I could go for 20 minutes without slowing or stopping.
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    I can ride pretty much uninterrupted around my neighborhood, it requires making a right turn through a couple of stop signs, but with little to no traffic, the odds of actually having to stop are low.
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