Open Pro Aerodynamics
We've all seen this chart:
http://accel10.mettre-put-idata.over...ro_english.jpg In the R-Sys thread, one of the posts mentioned that it would have been nice if the Open Pro had been included as a control data point. I was wondering about the aerodynamics of the Open Pro, since I own a couple sets myself. Does anybody know where a 32 spoke Open Pro front wheel would fall on this chart? |
The A-Class ALX440SL might be close, I don't really know though.
ALX440SL rim profile: http://www.aclass-wheels.com/images/draw/alx440sl.gif Whole wheel: http://www.aclass-wheels.com/images/products/ALX440.jpg |
Originally Posted by bdcheung
(Post 9091335)
The A-Class ALX440SL might be close, I don't really know though.
ALX440SL rim profile: http://www.aclass-wheels.com/images/draw/alx440sl.gif Whole wheel: http://www.aclass-wheels.com/images/products/ALX440.jpg |
yeah, and the OP32 doesn't use bladed spokes either.
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My real question is whether it would be less aero than the much loved/hated Ksryium SL. (This is for my poor-man's TT machine -- I have a wheel cover for the rear and was wondering what to do about the front.)
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im more curious about the 30mm kinlin rims with some cx ray spokes.
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They would be a little less aero than the Ksyriums, because those use bladed spokes and fewer of them. The biggest downside to the standard Open Pro setup over similar rims is probably weight. But they wouldn't be so aero either. On that chart, I might put them near the Aksiums.
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You're concerned about the aerodynamics of Open Pro's? Me thinks you're worrying about the wrong thing.
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Originally Posted by pinky
(Post 9096248)
you're concerned about the aerodynamics of open pro's? Me thinks you're worrying about the wrong thing.
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Originally Posted by aicabsolut
(Post 9095775)
They would be a little less aero than the Ksyriums, because those use bladed spokes and fewer of them. The biggest downside to the standard Open Pro setup over similar rims is probably weight. But they wouldn't be so aero either. On that chart, I might put them near the Aksiums.
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Originally Posted by pinky
(Post 9096248)
You're concerned about the aerodynamics of Open Pro's? Me thinks you're worrying about the wrong thing.
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Yeah that graph should have a 32h OP rim as a control. Zipp, Hed and other companies list a 32h rim as their baseline
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Are they ever going to do another "Great Wheel Test" with more current wheels? I would like to see some new numbers.
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Originally Posted by pinky
(Post 9096248)
You're concerned about the aerodynamics of Open Pro's? Me thinks you're worrying about the wrong thing.
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Originally Posted by caloso
(Post 9097861)
I'm concerned because I have the choice of an Open Pro or a Ksryium as the front wheel of a tri/tt rig. I have a rear wheel cover but didn't want to shell out any more money for a front wheel if I could avoid it.
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Originally Posted by bdcheung
(Post 9091335)
the a-class alx440sl might be close, i don't really know though.
Alx440sl rim profile: http://www.aclass-wheels.com/images/draw/alx440sl.gif whole wheel: http://www.aclass-wheels.com/images/products/alx440.jpg |
Originally Posted by caloso
(Post 9091325)
Does anybody know where a 32 spoke Open Pro front wheel would fall on this chart?
http://forums.roadbikereview.com/att...1&d=1141267293 Data above from Zipp. For reference to your chart, the "20 flat AL spoke" wheel is a Ksyrium SL. A GL330 is a true box rim, so a few mm shallower than an Open Pro but not much. Spokes are round 14/15, hub Record. http://forums.roadbikereview.com/att...1&d=1141267332 Data above from Tour magazine. An MA rim is (IIRC) b/w a GL330 and an Open Pro in depth. Dunno spokes used on test wheel. |
Originally Posted by aicabsolut
(Post 9095775)
They would be a little less aero than the Ksyriums, because those use bladed spokes and fewer of them. The biggest downside to the standard Open Pro setup over similar rims is probably weight. But they wouldn't be so aero either. On that chart, I might put them near the Aksiums.
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Curveship: That's perfect and confirms my feelings about the wheels: that neither is particularly aero but the Ksryiums are a bit more so.
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Originally Posted by curveship
(Post 9099284)
You'll pry my Open Pros from my skewers when I'm cold in the grave ... but aero they ain't.
http://forums.roadbikereview.com/att...1&d=1141267293 Data above from Zipp. For reference to your chart, the "20 flat AL spoke" wheel is a Ksyrium SL. A GL330 is a true box rim, so a few mm shallower than an Open Pro but not much. Spokes are round 14/15, hub Record. http://forums.roadbikereview.com/att...1&d=1141267332 Data above from Tour magazine. An MA rim is (IIRC) b/w a GL330 and an Open Pro in depth. Dunno spokes used on test wheel. |
Originally Posted by acorn_user
(Post 9099630)
Actually, a lot of factory type wheels have deeper rims so as to allow the use of fewer spokes. This nullifies much of the weight advantage those wheels might have from losing some spokes. Open Pros are one of the lighter clincher rims on the market.
While lighter rims might feel nice, they offer little in the way of performance improvements. Weight gives a very slight edge in climbing but that's about it. |
Originally Posted by pinky
(Post 9096248)
You're concerned about the aerodynamics of Open Pro's? Me thinks you're worrying about the wrong thing.
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I'm (just) curious about my Rolf Elans and my DV46's. Neither of my wheelsets is listed.
Any know of any new data points? |
Originally Posted by StanSeven
(Post 9104394)
That isn't quite the way it is. The advantage of deeper rims is they are more aero. Becuase deeper rims are stronger, they don't need as many spokes. That also allows them to be more aero as well but the deep aero shape of the rims is the chief benefit.
While lighter rims might feel nice, they offer little in the way of performance improvements. Weight gives a very slight edge in climbing but that's about it. |
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