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    diagnose my weakness

    I suck at steep climbs. regardless of length. when the grade goes over double digits, I'm a mess. doesnt matter if I'm in a little gear or a bigger gear, I dont get power to the pedals.

    case in point, yesterday race. it was not a hard race at all, in fact, I thought about 8 miles of the 8.6 mile loop to be really easy. My problem was about a 1K mile section that was a steep hill, that started (according to mapmyride) about 12% for a couple hundred meters, up to 20% for a small section, down to 6% then back up to about 14% at the top. I would struggle through the steepest stuff, but get popped at the 6% into 14% transition (last 200M of the climb). The 1st 3 times through I survived, 4th time I got popped, worked at FTP for about 5 miles to catch the pack, only to get popped for good next time up the hill.

    How do I diagnose whether the issue of getting power to the pedals is one mitigated through training more FTP or do I need to incorporate more AWC into my programme?

    without writing a book, I focus mostly on 100% - 120% FTP work during training, and let the group rides and racing take care of the rest. assume that recovery is adequate. I have not seen the same "shift" that guys like Waterrockets have by doing more threshold development.

    my profile in w/kg is pretty much all arounder (from recent data):

    5s: 18.42
    1m: 8.42
    5m: 5.15
    ftp: 4.35

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    Your weakness is sweets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by substructure View Post
    Your weakness is sweets.
    aside from that

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    Sounds to me like you need more AWC, but I'm no expert in this stuff.

    Do your training rides include such hills? Ever do hill repeats, perhaps in a large gear?
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    Is your technique sound on the steep parts? A lot of people (who might pedal beautiful circles otherwise) turn into mashing beasts on steep climbs. Maybe you're losing watts that way?

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    I envy your stats. The curious thing is that your 1 min and 5 min are strong especially and I would think that would be the "oomph" you're looking for on the steep sections. Are you racing in with 3s or p12s?
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    +1 on spinning up steep stuff, even when standing.

    I do 1' repeats on a 20% hill and average 100rpm, out of the saddle.
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    That's almost 12 mph with a 39x26. What gearing do you use and what does your power look like for those repeats? Just curious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yep View Post
    I envy your stats. The curious thing is that your 1 min and 5 min are strong especially and I would think that would be the "oomph" you're looking for on the steep sections. Are you racing in with 3s or p12s?
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    Quote Originally Posted by timster View Post
    That's almost 12 mph with a 39x26. What gearing do you use and what does your power look like for those repeats? Just curious.
    gearing - 39 by 12x25, no idea what gear I was in, I was in slobbering survival mode. I'd have to check power (at home/me at work)

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    Do you ever train on severe inclines?
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    ^not regularly. only on brickyard road during the 7 a.m. group ride. I thought it didnt matter, that watts were watts?

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    Your weakness is looking for a weakness. You're bloody strong enough to attack the snot out of the peloton in current form.
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    I think that sounds like a pretty steep incline for most racers. I'm strong on hills and power climbs, but I'd crack on that course too. Anything over 10% is going to take a toll if you hit it lap after lap at race pace. Congrats on working back to the group and not giving up. I understand your question though, how could you train for a course like that....I agree with specific hill repeats that would prepare you for 10 - 15 of those hills over the course of 45 min.
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    cut the fat, not the sweets

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    Watts is not watts. Specificity counts. Do hill repeats on the walls, get used to the sensations.
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    450 watts up a wall recruits different muscles from 450 watts on the flats.

    that's how it feels to me, anyways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bdcheung View Post
    450 watts up a wall recruits different muscles from 450 watts on the flats.

    that's how it feels to me, anyways.
    up a wall ? you stay at 450 ? cripes anything I call a 'wall' I am popping 700 watts or more for a bit.

    well, 700-1100 on a short grunt 2/10ths or less, if it is a sustained climb then I will drop down below 400 so i can stay alive....
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    i can't do 700-1100 for a minute.

    and a minute is how long it takes me to get up our local wall. ten times.
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    what wall is that bd?

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    Learn to love the pain.

    If you don't have super steep climbs around, climb the 'easier' ones in a much harder gear. Leg strength will come along.
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    The only thing I can suggest is try to get as close to the front by the base of the climb as possible, so that when you inevitibly drift back, you don't get detached.

    BTW -- those are some decent power numbers. My strength is 5 minute (~5.4w/kg), you've pretty much got all of my other numbers blown away.
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    You can do intervals standing in super high gears.
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