Cycling and bicycle discussion forums. 
   Click here to join our community Log in to access your Control Panel  


Go Back   > >

"The 33"-Road Bike Racing We set this forum up for our members to discuss their experiences in either pro or amateur racing, whether they are the big races, or even the small backyard races. Don't forget to update all the members with your own race results.

User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 07-15-09, 03:02 PM   #1
ridethecliche
Village Idiot
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Bahstaaaaan
Bikes:
Posts: 20,241
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Sprinting Power and Duration

I've been convinced for a while that my strength was longer drawn out sprints.

I just want to see where other people's stuff lines up.

Lets do Max, 5 sec, 10 sec, 20 sec, and 30 sec power, and 1 min. And your CAT if you care to share.

I'm just curious is all.

Mine:

Max: 1387
5 sec: 1313
10 sec: 1212
20 sec: 970
30 sec: 871
1 min: 560

CAT 4.

Edit: Add weight as well. I'm about 150ish lbs (68-70 kg).

Last edited by ridethecliche; 07-15-09 at 07:10 PM.
ridethecliche is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-09, 03:10 PM   #2
umd
Banned
 
umd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Santa Barbara, CA
Bikes: Specialized Tarmac SL2, Specialized Tarmac SL, Giant TCR Composite, Specialized StumpJumper Expert HT
Posts: 28,387
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I am certainly not a sprinter...

Max: 1081
5": 1040
10": 972
20": 824
30": 762
1': 570

Note that these are not all from the same time...
umd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-09, 03:10 PM   #3
spinwax
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Bikes:
Posts: 831
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Your numbers don't mean anything unless we know your weight. Those are good if you weigh 70kg or less.

BTW, I got my best sprint max yesterday. I am no sprinter though. This was after about 35miles of riding. I think I could put out more with cooler conditions and more rest.

70kg.

Max 1368

Last edited by spinwax; 07-15-09 at 03:23 PM.
spinwax is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-09, 03:11 PM   #4
umd
Banned
 
umd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Santa Barbara, CA
Bikes: Specialized Tarmac SL2, Specialized Tarmac SL, Giant TCR Composite, Specialized StumpJumper Expert HT
Posts: 28,387
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by spinwax View Post
Your numbers don't mean anything unless we know your weight. Those are good if you weigh 70kg or less.
IIRC he is similar to me, mid 140s.
umd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-09, 03:18 PM   #5
spinwax
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Bikes:
Posts: 831
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by umd View Post
IIRC he is similar to me, mid 140s.

They are VERY good numbers then. If he weighs 65.77kg which is about 145lbs that would put him in the Excellent Cat1 catagory per the Training with power book at his 5 sec.

The 1min number would put him at the low end of a Cat II per the book.

AWESOME numbers.
spinwax is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-09, 03:18 PM   #6
mattm
**** that
 
mattm's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: CALI
Bikes:
Posts: 13,736
Mentioned: 15 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 110 Post(s)
Max: 1148w
5": 1000
10": ?
20": 620-ish
30": ?
1': 480 or so

Don't have the data with me, this is off the top o' the head.

Oh, and there are 71 kgs of me. And fwiw I'm not really a sprinter. (Not really anything yet...)
__________________
cat 1.

blog
mattm is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-09, 03:23 PM   #7
dmotoguy
Edificating
 
dmotoguy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Portland
Bikes: Spooky + Sachs
Posts: 2,446
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by spinwax View Post
Your numbers don't mean anything unless we know your weight.
Kinda.. weight is irrelevant in a flat crit.. its really power to aerodynamics, yes a smaller guy is probably more aero, but when talking sprint wattage the W is normally king. There is a reason the 200# ex-football players can race crits with some success.
dmotoguy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-09, 03:26 PM   #8
spinwax
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Bikes:
Posts: 831
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by dmotoguy View Post
Kinda.. weight is irrelevant in a flat crit.. its really power to aerodynamics, yes a smaller guy is probably more aero, but when talking sprint wattage the W is normally king. There is a reason the 200# ex-football players can race crits with some success.
True. There is a reason I put out less power per Kg than many of my riding friends but I can drop them at will in a climb.

It is still nice to know weights to do closer comparisons of someone's power outputs. Wkg is king on a power profile output on paper.
spinwax is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-09, 03:32 PM   #9
ridethecliche
Village Idiot
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Bahstaaaaan
Bikes:
Posts: 20,241
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by umd View Post
IIRC he is similar to me, mid 140s.
I wish...

I think I've gained weight so far over the summer.

I don't have a weighing scale so I haven't weighed myself since school ended in June...

I think the most I weigh is 155, but I don't know. My clothes and jersey's don't fit any differently now than when I was 145, i.e. belt same, jerseys still only feel tight around my neck etc.

I think a lot of the weight gain has been in my legs, as I've got noticeably more muscle there than I used to.

Then again, it's possible that I'm still 145-150 since I might not have gained anything. I have no idea...

I'll try losing some weight in the winter if needed. I'm 5'10 if it matters. I kinda want to start lifting a bit more in the winter especially with my arms so I can pull up on the bars with a little more force, and with full body to just strengthen and use it as a weight bearing activity.

Edit: I think the girls downstairs have a weighing scale. Maybe I'll ask them if I can use it in the morning tomorrow. I'm honestly a little scared to check.

Last edited by ridethecliche; 07-15-09 at 03:50 PM.
ridethecliche is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-09, 03:42 PM   #10
Hocam
Ho-Jahm
 
Hocam's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Manchester, NH
Bikes:
Posts: 4,228
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Definitely not a sprinter... (71.5 kg atm)

Peak: 1170
5" 1059
10" 1004
20" 873
30" 788
1' 607 <-- not too shabby though.
Hocam is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-09, 03:42 PM   #11
euphoria
Senior Member
 
euphoria's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Dallas
Bikes:
Posts: 1,531
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
So what're gonna do if the scale reads 5lbs. heavier, diet and lose fitness? Even a BF% bathroom scale is only accurate up to the hips or so, and the empirical evidence is in your favor.
euphoria is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-09, 03:48 PM   #12
spinwax
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Bikes:
Posts: 831
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by ridethecliche View Post
II think the most I weigh is 155, but I don't know.
Even if you weigh 155, your numbers are still good either way from everything I have read.

I am excited to learn more about my #s. I am still VERY in the dark with this whole training with power thing....LOL.
spinwax is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-09, 03:53 PM   #13
ridethecliche
Village Idiot
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Bahstaaaaan
Bikes:
Posts: 20,241
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by euphoria View Post
So what're gonna do if the scale reads 5lbs. heavier, diet and lose fitness? Even a BF% bathroom scale is only accurate up to the hips or so, and the empirical evidence is in your favor.
Nah. I'll start drinking less beer.

On second though, nahhhh...

I'm stronger than ever before actually, so that's still in my favor. Losing fitness is not in the cards for now, hopefully, though I could/should eat a little healthier. I do pretty well already though. This is the heaviest I've been in 5 years.

I'm actually hoping to gain some more lean muscle over the winter by lifting. In any event, we'll see what happens when it happens.

Now, back to the numbers.
ridethecliche is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-09, 03:58 PM   #14
PhillyRoadie
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Bikes: 2009 Giant TCR Advanced 1, 2008 Jamis Quest
Posts: 123
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Max: 1419
5": 1293
10": 1261
20": 1157
30": no good data
1min: 632

73.5kg at the moment. My best long duration sprints are always uphill and always in a race (I can never quite fool myself into max efforts during a sprint workout).

I'm definitely not a "pure" sprinter, my strength is really FTP. I can sprint well out of a group, but usually because I've got more left than those around me. I can't put up up eye-popping power numbers, but I can consistently hit those numbers at the end of a race
PhillyRoadie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-09, 04:20 PM   #15
dmotoguy
Edificating
 
dmotoguy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Portland
Bikes: Spooky + Sachs
Posts: 2,446
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
those are good numbers.. cat2 probably?
dmotoguy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-09, 04:29 PM   #16
Brian Ratliff
Senior Member
 
Brian Ratliff's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Near Portland, OR
Bikes: Three road bikes. Two track bikes.
Posts: 10,065
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
Max: 1757W
5": 1491
10": 1377
20": 1131
30": 824
1m: 565 (though this is suspect; never tested here)

80kg. I consider myself a sprinter, but I am mostly training my ftp level power at the moment. That's where my weakness lies.
__________________
Cat 2 Track, Cat 3 Road.
"If you’re new enough [to racing] that you would ask such question, then i would hazard a guess that if you just made up a workout that sounded hard to do, and did it, you’d probably get faster." --the tiniest sprinter
Brian Ratliff is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-09, 05:08 PM   #17
SteelerHoo
Senior Member
 
SteelerHoo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Northern California
Bikes:
Posts: 229
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Max: 1479W
5": 1354
10": 1267
20": 1008
30": 901
1m: 738

160 pounds / 72.7kg

i don't have much of a "first step" when i jump, more like a "third step." maybe i'm using the wrong gear when i jump
SteelerHoo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-09, 05:14 PM   #18
JourneyLightly
simplifying
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Cupertino
Bikes:
Posts: 257
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
In WKO, do you have to get these numbers off the "MMP Curve" graph, or is there another way?
JourneyLightly is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-09, 05:15 PM   #19
Dubbayoo
Senior Member
 
Dubbayoo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Atlanta
Bikes: Pedal Force QS3
Posts: 7,681
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I wish power meters were plentiful 10-12 years ago. I would have liked to see what I could have done at 190 lbs. I was going to spin for 20 miles tonight after yesterday's 2x20s; maybe I'll mix in a few jumps.


Quote:
Originally Posted by JourneyLightly View Post
In WKO, do you have to get these numbers off the "MMP Curve" graph, or is there another way?
You can look at the summary for an individual ride for peak power too.

Last edited by Dubbayoo; 07-15-09 at 05:18 PM.
Dubbayoo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-09, 05:50 PM   #20
waterrockets 
Making a kilometer blurry
 
waterrockets's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Austin (near TX)
Bikes: rkwaki's porn collection
Posts: 26,130
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Compiled from 5" and 1' tests only:

Max: 1751W
5: 1649W
10: 1408W
20: 1186W
30: 1049W
1 min: 821W

78.5kg
waterrockets is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-09, 05:53 PM   #21
MDcatV
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Bikes:
Posts: 6,760
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Max: 1277
5s: 1231
10s: 1084
15s: 980
20s: 959
30s: 725
1 min: 543

66.5 kg

I'm all jump

this is a good exercise in learning the "type" of sprint you have - jumpy like I have or long drag race type
MDcatV is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-09, 06:01 PM   #22
SwimBike
Senior Member
 
SwimBike's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Pretty much Canada, NY
Bikes:
Posts: 498
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
So here is a question for the BF world. There are many different types of sprints, what would be considered a typical decline in power for a short sprint vs a longer sprint?

My not so impressive numbers compared to you all. I am 68kgs.

Max: 1144
5 sec: 1095
10 sec: 1012
20 sec: 786
30 sec: 695
1 min: 535
SwimBike is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-09, 06:09 PM   #23
Pablo.
...
 
Pablo.'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: nyc
Bikes:
Posts: 975
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I think my max sprint is like 850 watts, but I only weigh 110 pounds.
Pablo. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-09, 06:12 PM   #24
ElJamoquio
Burning Matches.
 
ElJamoquio's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: San Jose, CA
Bikes: Motobecane Le Champion SL, Cervelo P2SL
Posts: 9,666
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 144 Post(s)
960 for twenty seconds is not all jump, especially for 66 kg.
__________________
Reacting is mind candy; it requires no thought. Thinking is tedious.

Bikeforums 'Group Buy': Kinlin Rims, Sapim/DT Spokes, Formula/Bitex Hubs


"The only good race pace is suicide pace, and today looks like a good day to die."
-Steve Prefontaine
ElJamoquio is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-09, 06:46 PM   #25
timster
ɹǝʇsɯıʇ
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: MD
Bikes: 2011 Focus Whistler // 2011 Cannondale CAAD10 // 2009 Scattante XRL TT // 1993 Cannondale R400
Posts: 840
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
max: 1277
5 sec: 1238
10 sec: 1119
20 sec: 923
30 sec: 830
1 min: 614

I weigh 70.3 kg

I don't think my numbers are too bad for only being cat 4. I feel like my 10-20 second sprint is my strong point.

Last edited by timster; 07-15-09 at 06:57 PM.
timster is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 11:04 PM.