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Old 06-30-04, 11:18 AM   #26
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Murrays,
for those who 'lost' time by the rule... well... instead of getting a worse time, they are given their actual time.
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Old 06-30-04, 12:24 PM   #27
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Looks like we hit "submit" at the same time. I think that there would have been some major differences in the tactics due to the fact that Vino would've taken the lead after stages 8 and 14. And, Jan would've closed the gap to Lance to 2 seconds after stage 13 (well within a stage sprint bonus.)
Yeah, at least we didn't post the exact same info Your info is more interesting, I think.

I agree, the race tactics would have been different last year, but there are all kind of “what if’s” you could throw in: What if there was no TTT last year, ...there was no crash in stage 1, ...Lance carried more water on the ITT, ...the first ITT was uphill, etc.

I don’t think the new rules will give anyone a huge advantage or disadvantage; Lance will probably pick up time on his main competitors at it may be several seconds more or less than it would have been using the old rules.

In some ways it makes the racing more competitive since dropping a place will cost you 10 seconds instead of a couple seconds. I don’t think anyone concerned with GC is going to relax as some have indicated.

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Old 06-30-04, 05:04 PM   #28
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Murrays:

"If this gap is less than that given in the table below, then the actual time recorded by the timekeepers will be taken."
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Old 06-30-04, 08:21 PM   #29
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Murrays:

"If this gap is less than that given in the table below, then the actual time recorded by the timekeepers will be taken."
The only reason for this rule is to take away any possible advantage from USPS. If a French team was doing much better at TTT, this rule would have never been implemented. I'm sorry for sounding bitter, but I'm about to loose my faith in the entire TDF organization.

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Old 06-30-04, 08:56 PM   #30
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Yes, it's all a big conspiracy.

Come one now.
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Old 06-30-04, 10:37 PM   #31
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This rule is far better than the original 2:30 idea. This evens things out a bit. I would rather not see half of the GC riders out of the picture because of bad weather in the TTT (creating large gaps).
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Old 06-30-04, 10:56 PM   #32
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..or a crash. Which reminds me; Vandevelde will be starting the TDF this year with 2 former USPS team members on Liberty: Heras and Baranowski.
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Old 07-01-04, 08:07 AM   #33
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Why don't we just make the Tour de France a quick 10 minute crit? If we don't want to risk bad weather, crashes, big gaps, etc what is the point of racing a "grand tour"?


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Yes, it's all a big conspiracy.

Come one now.
If you don't think the course and rule book changes to try and sway the results you must be on some of those same drugs the riders don't take. This year and last year are just screaming anti-USPS (reduced mountaintop finishes, where LA usually makes a ton of time - uphill TT, again LA likes to run conservative then take off up the hill when climbing - screwy TTT rules). I don't have a problem with them doing that, they are trying to make for the best show.

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Old 07-01-04, 09:15 AM   #34
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When Indurain Crushed everyone in the Time Trials one year, they shortened them the next year, and added more mountains. It didn't matter, he still won.

The race is supposed to be challenging, It is not supposed to be tailor made to make it easier for the previous years winner to repeat.

The measure of a True Champion is overcoming insurmountable odds, not whipping eveyone on a course that plays to his strengths. If Lance doesn't win this year, you can't blame the course or the organizers. You either blame Lance for not being able to get it done, or you respect the efforts of his Competitors. Everyone is informed of the route on the same day.

There is a reason no one has won 6 before you know.
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Old 07-01-04, 10:25 AM   #35
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There is a reason no one has won 6 before you know.
Actually there are a variety of reasons.

There's no doubt in my mind Merckx could have won more than six if a) he wasn't attacked on that one and b) that was a goal of his.
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Old 07-01-04, 11:09 AM   #36
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Actually there are a variety of reasons.

There's no doubt in my mind Merckx could have won more than six if a) he wasn't attacked on that one and b) that was a goal of his.
I know that Merckx is supposedly God, and nothing but assault could stop him, but he lost time to Thevenet on five mountain stages. Not one.

Or were bullets being fired at him through the Alps and Pyrennes?
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Old 07-01-04, 11:29 AM   #37
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Ocana took 9:46 out of him in one day in the Pyrenees in 1971

Then 3 days later Ocana crashed out while leading Merckx by almost 8 minutes in the GC.
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