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    Removing components for a race

    Is it allowed to remove unnecessary components for a race?

    Example: A hill climb with zero descending or significant turns.

    Would it be against any rules to remove the FD and rear brake and associated cabling? I looked at the rulebook and it doesn't state that having 2 brakes is a requirement, although the UCI book does. This would save .5 to .75 pounds depending on level of components.

    I'm asking mainly out of curiosity, but this also seems that it could be useful in certain situations.

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    It's easier to lose body weight. Just go take a number 2 and you're good to go. You never know when you might need your components.

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    be careful about removing front derailleur - you might lose a chain. Even if you don't shift.

    What hill climb are you talking about?

    i think people remove rear brakes sometimes for like Mt Washington, etc. MOST of the pure hill climb races are NOT sanctioned, anyway. Like Equinox, Ascutney, Burke, Washington, Whtieface, etc.

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    "only a bicycle with a freewheel and one working brake on each wheel shall be used"
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    I remember about 15 years ago, a woman rode the USA national TT with only one brake (think it was Rebecca Twigg, not sure), anyway she was disqualified afterwards.

    I'm sure she was not happy.

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    Does a half a pound really make that much difference?

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    For some races, I'll remove my frame pump.

    Pls don't report me.

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    I seem to always remove my courage and ability before races. Perfectly legal but no performance advantage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by therhodeo View Post
    Does a half a pound really make that much difference?
    on a hill climb it sure can.. I did the calculations a few years back for our local hillclimb race, at the speed I was climbing (slow) 1 lb was almost an entire minute over the 80 minute climb..
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    Quote Originally Posted by dmotoguy View Post
    "only a bicycle with a freewheel and one working brake on each wheel shall be used"
    That is what I was looking for. I skimmed over the rulebook, but must have missed that. The FD isn't really worth removing anyways since it is only ~85 grams.

    The hill climb I'm speaking of is the Mt. Charleston hill climb in Las Vegas. There's a thread about it.

    I'm usually in support of the "take a dump", "lose body weight", etc. argument in lieu of spending a ton of cash to save bike weight, but I just thought if I can spend 5 minutes and $0 to remove components that will essentially be dead weight during the ride, why not?

    To answer the question of how much time it can really save: based on a rough calculation, 20 seconds. Sure it's not much, but I'd take it for no cost and 5 minutes worth of work.

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    Your ability or lack thereof will far outweigh the advantages of removing a brake...front derailleur is optional.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kai Winters View Post
    Your ability or lack thereof will far outweigh the advantages of removing a brake...front derailleur is optional.
    Ability is definitely the most important factor, but it isn't the only one. The fastest climber in the world is going to be slower up a lengthy climb if he has to ride a bike that is 5 pounds heavier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kai Winters View Post
    Your ability or lack thereof will far outweigh the advantages of removing a brake...front derailleur is optional.
    Having ability and removing a rear brake aren't mutually exclusive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chadteck View Post
    Ability is definitely the most important factor, but it isn't the only one. The fastest climber in the world is going to be slower up a lengthy climb if he has to ride a bike that is 5 pounds heavier.
    Yeah, but that's 5 pounds. Can you shake 5 pounds off the bike?
    I'm not here to be all negative and a spoiler, but seriously, proper training and diet will far outweigh anything you can take off the bike for a faster climb. I bet if you have enough time you could train hard, eat right, get enough recovery and destroy your personal record.

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    Quote Originally Posted by substructure View Post
    Yeah, but that's 5 pounds. Can you shake 5 pounds off the bike?
    I'm not here to be all negative and a spoiler, but seriously, proper training and diet will far outweigh anything you can take off the bike for a faster climb. I bet if you have enough time you could train hard, eat right, get enough recovery and destroy your personal record.
    See the post above yours. Of course ability is the most important factor, but any type of optimization helps.

    If I had the choice between proper training and removing the rear brake on my bike, of course I would choose proper training. However, if you can do both, then why not?

    Edit: An analogy would be: Why bother getting aero wheels when you can just train harder and gain more? The answer: do both and you gain even more.

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    I guess. Try to borrow a set of lighter wheels. I think that would be the best approach.

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    start by removing spokes, because that's rotating weight.
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    if you trained for the amount of time it took to read this thread you'd be faster...

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    You can calculate how much it'd help here http://www.analyticcycling.com/Force...ight_Page.html

    .5 lbs won't be much.

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    You might look into cutting an aluminum tube to the right length to replace some of the sections of your cassette. It's not going to make much difference, but when you're going lean, why not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by crocodilefundy View Post
    if you trained for the amount of time it took to read this thread you'd be faster...
    Not if it's recovery time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Creakyknees View Post
    start by removing spokes, because that's rotating weight.
    And the tires too....I hear they have rolling resistance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by waterrockets View Post
    Not if it's recovery time.
    Not trying to be cute with this response...but doesn't recovery help make you faster? Hmmmmmmm?

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    Don't remove the FD, you will lose your chain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pjcampbell View Post
    Don't remove the FD, you will lose your chain.
    shouldn't be too hard to find.
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