globecanvas

Never heard of that. Not an issue when eating the whole egg, right? Since the yolk contains a ton of biotin?

Enthalpic

Yeah, you would need to eat a very strange diet for it to become much of an issue.

Doge

So what is the downside of saturated dairy fat for those that burn it?
This seems like an economical calorie source for a 5,000kcal/day teen. Something does not feel quite right about it however.
He doesn't want to chug olive oil.

Ygduf

If you guys need tips on how to get/stay fat the natural way without chugging half and half let me know.

Doge

He needs to be 21 to use my method. I have been Internet searching looking for the downside. There is a lot of dairy hate out there.

Rephrasing the question - if someone of single digit body composition is in a calorie deficit situation what is the best way to make that deficit up? Assume there is plenty of protein and fibre elsewhere.

3 cups toasted oats 260kcal of carbs
OR
1 cup half n half 250kcal of sat fat

Ygduf

3 cups toasted oats? 40g of oats is 150 calories. its easy to eat 80g with a tablespoon of peanutbutter for ~500 calories. If you're hungry, 2 bowls and goodbye calorie deficit.

Doge

Are carbs better than fat when you already have all the other stuff you need?

This AM is was about 2 table spoons PB, bowl of toasted oats (Trader Joes) cup or so of half and half.
That lasted from 7:00, through the ride till around 11 where he ate post ride, lunch at 1, went to McDs at 3 and he'll have about 4-5 street tacos tonight.
On M, W rowing nights he takes a tupperware bowl of pasta in the boat then eats dinner afterwards.

This is not something anyone is really all that happy about. Fueling him is somewhat of a chore for all involved.

wens

I mean, if you've already covered micronutrient needs, and you're providing enough carbs at appropriate times, who cares. They all end up the same place at that point.

globecanvas

Just buy a tub of crisco and call it good.

Enthalpic

Probably, especially if the person is going through 5000 Calories/day. The thing is you have no way of knowing exactly when all the specific needs (Carb, Pro, fat, vitamins, EFA, etc) are met. Carbs can be turned into non-essential fatty acids; but fat cannot be converted into carbs. So it's a safer bet to consume nutritious, carb-containing foods, and let the excess carbs be turned into fat than it is to eat a lot of fat and hope you get enough carbs.

Note: I would almost completely reverse this advice for an overeating couch-potato. Excess calories as fat do not cause as much damage as excess calories from sugar (like I said above: excess carbs become fat anyways, but now they have messed up insulin signalling on top of the extra weight).

Enthalpic

Postexercise Glycogen Recovery and Exercise Performance is Not Significantly Different Between Fast Food and Sport Supplements. - PubMed - NCBI

Doge

Thank you @Enthalpic I may switch to the H&H, while not a couch potato I can extrapolate.

Ygduf

When I was doing many-hour weekends my days used to be 6+k calories. I just ate a lot of oatmeal. It helps that I don't experience the feeling of "full".

mike868y

wtf are toasted oats?

i would have to imagine nuts/nut butter are sufficiently calorie dense and "better" for you than half and half but that's just a guess.

globecanvas

TheKillerPenguin

peanut butter and nutella, whole grain bread. avging ~17k kJ/wk right now, stuff is a godsend.

Gramercy

I started this last week per your suggestion a while ago! Love it, and it's easy calories.

TheKillerPenguin

lol, I try to keep that delicious nonsense strictly on the bike since a bunch of 600cal sandwiches makes the deficit manageable...but in practice when you're sitting around watching Mr. Robot and nutella be all like "I'm tasty! eat me dawg!" sometimes it sneaks in to regular person time too.

...the calories are too easy.

notwist

i've been eating granola bars for my long rides since they don't take too long to make and are calorie dense. I can pack 4 in a single jersey pocket. I'll give the pb sammiches a try though i'm not sure how many i can fit in my jersey pockets. i usually like to carry a bottle in my jersey as well. even in this cold weather, i like to carry 3 bottles and don't like to stop unless the ride is 4h+

revchuck 

The cool thing about this is that it tastes like eating a Reese's Cup.

Gramercy

Since I like to cook and try to experiment with at least one new dish a week, this week I made Chicken Mafe - got the recipe from the NY Times cooking website. I usually make more abridged versions of the recipes for simplicity. This one was garlic, one 6oz can tomato paste, half a jar of peanut butter, a little soy sauce and lime juice, 5 cups water, couple pounds of chicken, couple potatoes. Very calorie dense and very flavorful.

TexMac

My diet this week and on-going, only thing changing is dinner. I'm 164lb's need to be 160 sooner

Breakfast:
3 egg whites with mushrooms, white onions, spinach, green peppers, green onions, sliced papayas & strawberries

Lunch:
Salad- lettuce, blackbeans, pasta, cucumbers, roasted beets, flax seeds

Snack:
A cup of oats with flax seeds and a handful of almonds

Dinner:
Flank steak, collard greens and brown rice

This is after a 50 mile round commute

mollusk

Made a rice pilaf with rice and rice noodles to pair with seared scallops with a spicy oil that I just finished making.

Just waiting on my wife to arrive with the scallops from the primo seafood shop in town.

Ygduf

my wife got a pressure cooker and made some ridiculously good pho which has been dinner the past few nights. I'm impressed, but it's like 1900 different parts to wash, as usual.

wens

Which pressure cooker?