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    Collegiate Rule Changes

    Ok, so the proposed rule changes have come out, and I'm not sure how to feel.

    https://www.usacycling.org/news/user/story.php?id=4527

    Most of them are pretty boring and standard things that I don't really care about. But then we get down to Rule 7.

    Rule Change Resolution 7: Aero Equipment

    Rule 7J is added to the rule book, bumping the rules following down a letter (Rule 7J will become 7K, 7K will become 7L, etc).

    7J. Equipment

    7J1. Bicycles
    (a) Bicycles used in competition in all Collegiate Road Events must conform
    with the current UCI and USAC regulations for mass-start legal bicycles.

    (b) No handlebar extensions, including "aero bars," or other forms of bars
    offering forearm support shall be allowed.

    7J2. Wheels

    (a) Wheels used in competition in all Collegiate Road Events must conform
    with UCI mass-start legal regulations. The UCI maintains a website with the
    information of approved wheels.

    7J3. Helmets
    (a) Helmets worn at Collegiate Road Events must meet both UCI and USAC regulations
    for mass-start legal, and be worn in accordance with USAC rules.
    The way I'm reading this, you have to use a mass-start legal bike for EVERY collegiate event, including ITT and TTT events.

    I think I understand the purpose (lower the costs, don't allow "speed buying" etc); but come on, you can't even use clip-on bars? I guess it's once less thing I have to take with me and work on getting fit on, but it still seems a bit ridiculous to me.

    Not to mention my teammate with the P3C, disc rear, and TT helmet isn't going to be happy.

    What is everyone's thoughts here?

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    Wow. That sucks if that is the case.

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    Now that I think of it, banning aero bars will probably actually cause crashes, as people try to ride on the "invisible aero bars".

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    I think its just saying road races, not TT's. That's how I read it. It could also just be mis-worded and might be changed.

    Call up springs and get a clarification and voice your opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nitropowered View Post
    I think its just saying road races, not TT's. That's how I read it. It could also just be mis-worded and might be changed.

    Call up springs and get a clarification and voice your opinion.
    Everyone else who has seen it (including directors who are in charge) are saying it means ALL races, including TT.

    Quote Originally Posted by ACCC Listserve
    This was posted to the ECCC earlier tonight, and its rather drastic, so
    you'll probably want to make sure everyone is well aware.

    You can read it for yourself, but basically it says:

    ~Absolutely no handlebar extensions.

    ~No helmets that aren't mass-start approved

    ~No Wheels that aren't UCI approved (No discs, no tri spokes, and some
    others)

    ~This is for all categories, including Mens A

    *In summary: TT races will use UCI AND USAC Mass Start gear only.

    Here is the USAC rules.
    https://www.usacycling.org/news/user/story.php?id=4527

    Here is some info that was compiled by ECCC that's current as of last year.
    http://collegiatecycling.org/eccc/wi...009-eccc-aero-...
    erview.pdf

    But think of it this way.less bikes to have to haul around.


    It's definitely about ALL races. ECCC did something similar last season (for all but the Men/Women A riders).


    And I've already posted to the google group, and we'll be sending team comments to our director as soon as people send them to me.

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    Wow, I'm not sure how I like this rule. It's going to benefit me as a rider without a TT bike, disc wheel, or trispoke, but I know a few/lots of people and teams who have dropped some serious cash on that stuff and aren't going to get 1/2 the use out of it without collegiate TT's every weekend.

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    who the hell proposed that? i bet it was those D2 teams...
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    I raced in the ECCC last year and I thought their take on this issue made more sense: no aero equipment except the As. Keeps it fun for most folks, and keeps is realistic for the kids at the top of the sport who are going to be doing the real thing very soon
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    I agree with this. I would imagine that there are very few people in A's who don't own at least clip-on aero bars.

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    You have got to be kidding me...

    Well, that means I don't have to get on my TT bike until like April now, instead of January. Always a bright side...
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    Considering the fact that I just dropped $2k+ on a TT bike to be competitive this year I am going to be very unhappy if this holds up for TTT. My guess is that TTT/ITT in A's will be some sort of exception. If you look at the photos from Nationals almost everyone if not everyone is on aero bars and most of the good squads have dedicated TT rigs. I guess we'll see how it pans out in the next few weeks.

    Is ECCC the only conference running E's?

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    My Crystal ball reveals that next year they will make everyone ride on platform pedals and flat bars with the bars above the saddle.

    That way, anyone will be able to enjoy the sport.
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    I sent an email to one of the Board of Trustees to try to get clarification of the rule. Also reading through the rules I noticed that the BOT should have made an effort to notify conferences of the proposed rule changes between Sept 1 and 15 to seek feedback. Did any of you get notification of feedback wanted? I know that the WCCC was not contacted through our group and I would like to see if anyone was. If not I am planning on submitting another rule change for clarification and permission for aero bars at the very least in TTT and ITT based upon the lack of feedback being sought. Let me know if you're in support.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrossCountry2k7 View Post
    I sent an email to one of the Board of Trustees to try to get clarification of the rule. Also reading through the rules I noticed that the BOT should have made an effort to notify conferences of the proposed rule changes between Sept 1 and 15 to seek feedback. Did any of you get notification of feedback wanted? I know that the WCCC was not contacted through our group and I would like to see if anyone was. If not I am planning on submitting another rule change for clarification and permission for aero bars at the very least in TTT and ITT based upon the lack of feedback being sought. Let me know if you're in support.
    ACCC was never informed until last night. But they're asking for our comments, so maybe there's still time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrossCountry2k7 View Post
    Considering the fact that I just dropped $2k+ on a TT bike to be competitive this year I am going to be very unhappy if this holds up for TTT. My guess is that TTT/ITT in A's will be some sort of exception. If you look at the photos from Nationals almost everyone if not everyone is on aero bars and most of the good squads have dedicated TT rigs. I guess we'll see how it pans out in the next few weeks.

    Is ECCC the only conference running E's?
    It won't. They're saying that one of the main reasons for the rule is because of the travel expenses to nationals (that means As).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flatballer View Post
    It won't. They're saying that one of the main reasons for the rule is because of the travel expenses to nationals (that means As).
    Thats BS. The team i was on fun-raised enough to purchase 4 sets of Aero equipment and a trailer (with space leased out to other teams) for nationals. If I were a nationals qualified rider, travel expenses wouldn't stop me from bringing the proper equipment.

    Can't they make this D2 only rule or something?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flatballer View Post
    It won't. They're saying that one of the main reasons for the rule is because of the travel expenses to nationals (that means As).
    Interesting that they cite travel expenses as the reason to restrict equipment use. It seems to me that the fact that the teams showing up to nationals are all bringing their TT bikes and full aero setups that cost of transportation and equipment is not an issue. If they were truly worried about transportation cost they should work to bring back the free bike vouchers on United, not restrict our gear choice.

    I hope you take the time to offer feedback. I know I will.

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    Bikes need to be UCI mass-start legal!? That's insane. Guess I need to look into getting that anatomical exemption after all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grolby View Post
    Bikes need to be UCI mass-start legal!? That's insane. Guess I need to look into getting that anatomical exemption after all.
    I doubt anyone will be checking for that stuff (except at nationals).

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    Jeffrey Hansen, USAC Collegiate Director, confirmed for me this morning that the rule applies to all events, TTT and ITT included. I would encourage all of you to voice your opinions to him via email and also to the NCCA Board of Trustees who approved the ruling. If you need those email addresses PM me.

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    Yeah.

    Did he mention anything about their apparent ignoring of this particular rule that applies to them?

    The Board of Trustees will endeavor to publish to each Conference
    between September 1 and September 15 all proposals submitted prior to
    July 1.

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    emailed them, expressed my disapproval.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flatballer View Post
    Yeah.

    Did he mention anything about their apparent ignoring of this particular rule that applies to them?
    Nope but I kindly mentioned it in my response. I found that one of the most frustrating parts of this ruling.

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    I know I'm going to get bashed for this but I actually agree with it at the collegiate level. Our local school(UNR) is on the outskirts of the WCCC(I think) and while we have some great riders it is just too expensive for them to travel to a lot of the races which can be 8 hours away. If you stack a couple kids in a car and then try to bring TT and Road bike there just isn't enough room.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jrennie View Post
    I know I'm going to get bashed for this but I actually agree with it at the collegiate level. Our local school(UNR) is on the outskirts of the WCCC(I think) and while we have some great riders it is just too expensive for them to travel to a lot of the races which can be 8 hours away. If you stack a couple kids in a car and then try to bring TT and Road bike there just isn't enough room.
    I agree that maybe outlawing TT bikes was the way to go.

    My problem is with outlawing clip-on bars as well, on an otherwise mass-start legal bike. The expense and space argument just doesn't hold for clip-ons.

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