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    The Custom Clothing Thread

    Seems like there's a wealth of experience on this forum with the various custom kit manufacturers. It may be useful to consolidate those experiences.

    Capo Forma:

    • jrennie - fantastic quality and fit with a great pad. White gets down right funky colored after one rain race/ride. The Jersey material doesn't breath all that well on the 09 stuff but the '10 gear changed to a much better fabric and the legs are now doubled over fabric instead of the elastic gripper. Much more comfy. Also the new kits are shorter in the front to reduce the bunching and longer in the sleeves(not sure why). The bibs are also longer now with the new cuff.


    Castelli/Squaddra:
    • EDR - I really liked what they did for my first team but it was under different management then so I cannot vouch for the quality now. At the time the best chamois I'd ever worn.
    • tombailey - very very nice stuff. Bascially Castelli. "Euro" sizing and very tight, race cut. Customer service is excellent. Have only tried shorts s/s jersey and wind vest.
    • Mtn Mike - decent quality, high minimums, lack luster customer service. They lost our business to Mt Borah.

    Champion Systems:
    • bdcheung - My collegiate club ordered kit from ChampSys one summer. While we specified pantone colors on the custom clothing order form, ChampSys for some reason decided to make the kits using the crayola colors our artist used to sketch the kits. So we got kits that were Sunflower Yellow and Baby Blue, instead of athletic gold and navy. The chamois sucks, the jerseys don't breathe well at all.
    • ZeCanon - Used for collegiate team last year. Similar to the problems above. They changed our green ever so slightly, but enough to notice, despite using the same pantone colors. Chamois is crap. It bunches up into my ass crack. I apologize for that mental image, but I think it gets the idea across.
    • Flatballer - I think our jerseys a couple years ago were Champ. The colors just don't look right on them. Never actually worn them though.
    • EDR - Colors were not nearly as bright as the Giordana stuff we ordered. Hands down the worst chamois I've ever worn.
    • waterrockets - Champion has been fine for me, but the bibs blow out after a while (not as fast as the LGs though).
    • botto - crap chamois. crap quality. jersey breathes as well as a plastic bag. fit well. cheap. made to last a season at most, as the price reflects.
    • sigberto - I was on BDCheung's team when we got mis-colored stuff**. Some would say Champ-Sys offers great value, but I'd say you get what you pay for - cheaper kits. The shorts' material is a bit thin, but I like that they double-layer the butt panel. I liked their consistent sizing (though their material template seems to change annually), unfortunately their shorts/chamois didn't cooperate with my anatomy too well. Jerseys were okay with me - fit great - and I think their thermal outerwear is great quality. Stuff fits a bit smaller than Voler, but nobody complains because it seems logical (unlike hincapie). **Note: When our team ordered a fun argyle "summer kit" without sponsor logos, we wanted Navy and light yellow. We received a very weird baby blue and yellow. It turned out that although the proof looked correct, the pantone was written as "royal blue" instead of navy blue, and our team's representative signed off without noticing that discrepancy. Regardless, it was really girly blue - not royal blue. The bigger problem? The NEXT year when we planned to use them again, they produced our ENTIRE team's order - what was supposed to be an entirely new design in the correct colors - with the old baby-blue argyle design. FML.

    Giordana:
    • Flatballer - Nice stuff. Colors came out correct, jerseys are very comfortable. Everything is sized weird, very difficult to get a good size, doesn't seem to match their sizing on the website. Chamois is nice, gloves are awesome. We're using them again this year. Not a huge fan of the jersey cut, since it tends to wrap on me (turns to one side, not sure why) and is a bit loose in the stomach but tight in the shoulders. There bib straps are too short for the leg size, they dig into my shoulders a bit. Overall good stuff though, and not too expensive.
    • EDR - Nice colors, great chamois, jerseys had a club cut even though they called it a race cut. Example, I need to wear and XS in Giordana but a SM in LG, Castelli or Champion
    • Enthalpic - I find the stuff very comfortable. Better than most products I've tried and way better than our old LG kit.
    • waterrockets - I like Giordana pretty well. No problems, but not that premium feel I got from the Hincapie stuff.

    Hincapie:
    • bdcheung - Everything is "vanity sized" - i.e. a small fits like a medium, medium fits like a large, etc. In 2008, the samples that Hincapie sent were dramatically different from the final custom products we received. The sizing between the two was completely different, and Hincapie would not honor our request to return the merchandise. Hincapie bibs are acceptable; their jackets are one of the warmest I've ever used.
    • waterrockets - Hincapie is the most durable Lycra I've ever owned. Good compression when new (not quite LG tight, but tight), but they still feel like new three years later (weekly wear). I would choose Hincapie over the other brands I've owned.
    • sigberto - Aside from losing our artwork and not telling us until it was 2 weeks before race season (and our guaranteed ship date), high quality stuff. They make excellent products, but I can't wear them. They are designed for really tall, really skinny folks. For example, I'm 5-8 and 145 with cyclist's quads (re: not lanky). The small bibs were the correct length but MUCH too tight; the mediums were nicely fit but 4 inches too long so the gripper was at the top of my kneecap. The jersey sleeves (even short sleeves) we awkwardly long, too.

    Jett/Declare:
    • ZeCanon - Used for collegiate this fall. Better quality than Champ, better fabric and cut. Chamois pretty good, and very cheap. Colors are correct. Only problem: some zippers busted. We were refunded/sent new jerseys for all of these cases (I think 3 or 4 out of about 80 jerseys). Good customer service, based in Colorado.

    Kalas:
    • Frunkin - New for this year, seems to fit very well. Everything sizes down though, I'm 6'3 170 lbs and wearing a small in almost everything. Lots of chamois options, and they're really pretty cheap.

    Louis Garneau:
    • ZeCanon - great chamois, good material, good sizing, good colors. Used on my old mtb team. Their long sleeves are thermal and awesome. Great warm vests too. Highly recommended assuming their stuff hasn't changed too much in 2 years. Still wear the shorts when my Rio stuff is all used up (ie I forget to do laundry for a week) and love them.
    • EDR - Very nice stuff. Fit was definately 'race' good chamois, good quality.
    • Enthalpic - I like their vests. The chamois I didn't like after about 2 hours. It was the one with all the dimples, maybe they have changed it since then.
    • Frunkin - Used last year on my collegiate and normal team. I like the bibs a lot, they fit tight and have a decent chamois. I used both the cheap blue cheese grater looking chamois and the ergo zone air higher end one, both were fine. The problem is the zippers, they suck. Out of 5 tops all new last year, only 2 have zippers that haven't fallen apart.
    • waterrockets - I loved my LG bibs for the first three months, then they blew out. I still wear them, but they feel saggy.
    • mike868y - Makes the kits for one of the clubs I ride with. Bibs are awesome. One of the best chamois I have used. Nice colors and they haven't faded after a full season of hard use. These are my go to bibs for long rides (207 miles w/ no problems ). Jersey is very loose. I'm sure that it is "club" cut not "race" cut which is probably part of the problem. The jersey sags quite a bit when water bottles are placed in the pockets, which is kind of a pain. Also, the jersey is very light and breathable. Good for the summer, but it sucks for this time of year.

    Mt. Borah:

    • Mtn Mike - Very good customer service. Low minimums. Decent assortment of fabric style and chamois grades to chose from, with varying prices. We ordered about 40 pieces from them last summer and plan a bigger order this winter. The lead time from when we paid until it arrived was an impressive 4 weeks. I highly recommend Mt Borah.


    Nalini:

    • botto - fit is ok. chamois is adequate. quality is ok, but not outstanding.

    Pactimo:

    • umd - I was in a club that used Pactimo for a year. Most everyone hated it. The fit was strange, the chamois was uncomfortable, the seams were in the wrong place and the color rubbed off. When we met with the reps before we went with them they had some samples but what we got wasn't the same at all. ymmv, but I would never wear that stuff again unless I absolutely had no choice.
    • hammy56 - I have 4 Pactimo bibs from local club...for me they're very comfortable. I'm unaware of the the different 'models' they may have available but the ones I have are great. I think these are from 08.
    • esammuli - The Ascent bibs are horrible. The Summit bibs are more expensive and are much more comfortable, but still far from the best I've ever used.
    • slim_77 - Hate it. bib sizes were off, imo.
    • brian ratliff - My team just switched to Pactimo. My opinion might change in the next several months, but so far, so good. Saying that, one or two of my teammates have had some problems with chamois coming unstitched and zippers falling off, but so far I've seen none of that and Pactimo seems to be willing to work with us on the issue. Everyone's different, but the chamois on our bibs are fine for me (I think we have the ascent chamois). Not $200 bib fine, but adequate for long training rides and races. I like the fit of their bibs as well, but this is also subjective. Pactimo's size large is a bit smaller than Squadra's (our previous kit) large, but Squadra's large was a hair too big for me, so it all worked out. It's not as bad as Sugio, where it runs so small that I have to wear XL. I haven't done a huge number of rides in the kit yet, though, so we'll see. So far I like the stuff better than our previous Squadra kit. Oh, and they are on time with their stuff too. That's one of the big problems we've had with other kit suppliers. They advertised with us a guarantee that they would have the kits by a certain date else the cost is on them.
    • urbanknight - I agree with umd. On mine, the inseam was too short, the chamois was on par with a pair of cheap $30 shorts I bought once, the color faded noticeably after about 30 uses, and the stitching rubs places you really don't want rubbed by stitches!
    • psimet2001 - We have it. Mixed feelings. We have the highest level bib/chamois. Fit seems to change drastically season to season. We have about 3-4 years worth of gear we use interchangeably. To clarify about the bibs - I find they stretch out very quickly for me. The chamois is more comfortable than I thought it would be. If I am going to go ride all day I don't grab my kit. 2-3 hrs or less and I do. Decent quality gear for the price. I ran 1 jersey from last August until this August and it looks like moths attacked it - there are so many holes from pinning.
    • teetopkram - Agree with Psimet. I seriously thought I was losing tons of weight until I realized the bib fabric was stretching quite a bit. The jerseys our team has fit and breath well, but seem very easy to rip holes in when pinning numbers...
    • pelikan - Overall my team didn't like it, but I didn't have any complaints. The material is super thin and silky (kinda like PJs), which I like. The skinsuit survived a couple crashes without ripping so I was happy. Fit is weird, so trying on is must.

    Primal

    • brianappleby - This will be our team's second year with Primal Custom. The ordering process was entirely onilne, which was nice, and the kits were great. I don't have much to compare to, except the Pactimo Stuff we used in the previous years. Compared to Pactimo, the Primal stuff fits cyclists, while the Pactimo stuff seems to fit regular people (fatties). Primal also did a much better job color matching the bibs to the jerseys to the armwarmers etc. The primal sleeves are too loose on me, but too tight on some of my friends, so probably at a happy medium. The bib straps are a good length. The shorts are a bit longer than the standard, but I like that a lot. The fabrics seem like the standard high-end stuff to me, but Primal says they have some new awesomeness stuff coming out this year, so we'll see.


    Sugoi:
    • ZeCanon - Get this stuff from my non-collegiate team. Amazing chamois, and excellent fabric for the shorts. Jersey's breath very well. Colors/design all perfect. Cost is a bit higher. Sizing is good and predictable. Only problem: they messed up our order and we got 3/4 zip instead of full zip. We are still going with them again, the stuff is so nice. Just make sure you double check everything (as with any company). (In reply to bdcheung: These are the only jerseys ZeCanon has ever used that don't bunch up around the stomach because the fronts are cut too long)
    • dmb - Shorts are great. Chamois is awesome and the fit is good. Jersey breathes very well, but the pockets are a little high on the back for my liking and it seems to bunch up a little on my shoulders, which probably negates the effect of their "aero" fabric. The jersey has also started to become un-stitched at the bottom of the 3/4 zipper. This is after only part of a season and I usually train in another jersey for the reasons that I've mentioned. I love the shorts. The jersey is alright.

    Verge:

    • cdr - By far the best kit I've ever used. Period. I have jerseys and shorts that I use regularly from 2004, shorts from before that (but I can't tell which one is which). Printing is vivid, high quality, and they use hidden zippers (maybe I specified them?) so the front of the jersey looks "right". Jacket is super high quality, snug, warm, comfy, vivid colors, hidden zip, fits well. Shorts are excellent, comfy, well wearing. Good with abrasion (crashes). No blown seams, even after 5-6 years, unlike other shorts I've had that have literally blown apart when I tried them on (and no, I wasn't that fat). Jerseys are vivid, super long wearing, there are thin and thick versions of the LS jersey. Knickers are good, not too tight on calf, warm, comfy, printed well. Vests are basic, fine, and good quality. I haven't used their tights, leg warmers, or arm warmers.
    • sigberto - I only have used these kits once, and those were in 2005. I've still got both kits (only ther jersey/bibs), so the material is great and durable. Not as good bang-for-buck as most companies but excellent products, no doubt. Stuff fits lotsa people just fine. Unfortunatley, I only use these on the trainer or during the winter over tights because the chamois have worn out over time.

    Vermarc:
    • botto - so so. sublimation fades quickly on bibs. price is right.

    Voler:
    • Frunkin - Good kit, the bibs are nice for the price. No problems with the jerseys or skinsuit.
    • Fat Boy - 2009 chamois is OK, but just OK. Supposed to be a new one for 2010 which is better, we'll see. Bib colors significantly different than 'same' color jersey, but doesn't fade much with use. Bib sizes seem to run on the big side. Both bibs and jerseys seem pretty durable. Good zippers on the jerseys. I don't care for the jackets much. They're at least 1 size bigger than the jersey (i.e. medium jersey=small jacket) and the material is too stiff. It is pretty warm, though. The arm & knee warmers are fine as are the gloves. No real big issues to deal with beyond some unusual fits. The good news is that there are enough fit options to find something for just about anyone. The Voler reps are good people and willing to work hard for your business.
    • tombailey - very good especially for the price (our team has huge volumes which may make it cheaper). The upgraded short material and chamois are worth the extra. No problems with anything from them (s/s jersey, l/s jersey, winter jacket, bibs, knickers, wind vest, arm warmers). More normal fit.
    • sigberto - I'm on TomBailey's USAC team and we get massive discounts because we're on a big squad there. The collegiate team I support just switched back to Voler after some mis-haps with Champ-Sys (I was on BDCheung's collegiate team) and being less-than-content with VOMax. Great bang-for-buck; the more you order, the cheaper they get. The stuff has a fit that makes most people happy, although it is "American fit" so I find things slightly big. One thing to note is that their jersey sizing got significantly bigger after 2006 - my old mediums fit me perfectly, but my new ones are huge. Now I'm stuck between a medium and small jersey. My only complaint for Voler is that they won't make a full-length "hidden zipper." I can live with that, though. It's also important to know NOT to have your short's base color (crotch region) the same as the printed side panel. For all of their efforts, it won't work. The base color is pre-dyed, and the side panels are printed. My collegiate team used Navy Blue and we learned that Voler can't match the color exactly.

    VO Max:

    • cdr - Shorts seem decent for 2 hours (longest ride, but on a trainer, so far). Jersey is cut a bit big. Haven't used LS jersey, vest, arm warmers, or leg warmers. Printing is vivid, nice, but big honkin' zipper in front (missing important letters or two on sponsors' names). One thing I'd avoid - the Jacket. It's like a Member's Only jacket, not a bike jacket. 2 front pockets, super baggy, stylish to wear to a book signing but I wouldn't want to ride in it. One nit-pick. Usually a clothing company will know how a design on paper will look in real life. They should have said (and maybe they did) that our design wouldn't work properly. The short's panels are tall and the side sponsor is illegible because half the words are up around my armpit. The rear panel is tall, and the top part isn't visible unless I pull my jersey up. I think VOMax should have said something. Maybe they did, I don't know, but usually panels have "recommended" print areas, the rest being hidden.
    • mike868y - The leg openings on the short are freakishly big. Maybe I just don't have the guads these bibs were made for, but I can't ride in a small because the legs are so big. The rest of the bibs fit fine, maybe a little bigger then other stuff I've worn but tolerable). Can't question on the chamois as I can't ride in the shorts. The Jersey is pretty nice, good material, good fitting and vivd colors, doesn't sag when you put a bottle in the rear pockets, good stuff. I second the comment regarding the lettering on the jersey. Main sponsors have some serious portions of their names/logos blocked out. Arm and leg warmers are a little thin. I've got some LG arm warmers that are muuuch thicker and much warmer than the VOmax stuff, but the VOmax will be perfect on 65F spring days. Overall it seems like really nice stuff, I can't wait to get some XS shorts to try out the chamois.
    • sigberto - Small company with great customer service, very low minimums and excellent pricing. Unfortunately, you get what you pay for in terms of quality of the jersey/bibs. The chamois weren't double stitched, the stitching came loose on multiple team member's short seams, and the sleeve cuffs were awkwardly tight while the neck hems were awkwardly loose. The bib straps were also pretty darn short. I hope they've improved a bit on their basic items (jersey and bib shorts), and even improving "perceived" quality - the elastic grippers didn't even say VOMax on them. Their outerwear seemed pretty darn good, though. Fitting: Their bibs fit fine, but their race cut jerseys fit like club-cut stuff that is an entire size too big. In my experience last year, VOMax's small is bigger than Voler's medium. WTF?
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    Sugoi - Get this stuff from my non-collegiate team. Amazing chamois, and excellent fabric for the shorts. Jersey's breath very well. Colors/design all perfect. Cost is a bit higher. Sizing is good and predictable. Only problem: they messed up our order and we got 3/4 zip instead of full zip. We are still going with them again, the stuff is so nice. Just make sure you double check everything (as with any company).

    Champ Sys - Used for collegiate team last year. Similar to the problems above. They changed our green ever so slightly, but enough to notice, despite using the same pantone colors. Chamois is crap. It bunches up into my ass crack. I apologize for that mental image, but I think it gets the idea across.

    Jett/Declare - Used for collegiate this fall. Better quality than Champ, better fabric and cut. Chamois pretty good, and very cheap. Colors are correct. Only problem: some zippers busted. We were refunded/sent new jerseys for all of these cases (I think 3 or 4 out of about 80 jerseys). Good customer service, based in Colorado.
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    Giordana - Nice stuff. Colors came out correct, jerseys are very comfortable. Everything is sized weird, very difficult to get a good size, doesn't seem to match their sizing on the website. Chamois is nice, gloves are awesome. We're using them again this year. Not a huge fan of the jersey cut, since it tends to wrap on me (turns to one side, not sure why) and is a bit loose in the stomach but tight in the shoulders. There bib straps are too short for the leg size, they dig into my shoulders a bit.

    Overall good stuff though, and not too expensive.

    Champ Sys - I think our jerseys a couple years ago were Champ. The colors just don't look right on them. Never actually worn them though.

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    forgot one more:

    Louis Garneau - great chamois, good material, good sizing, good colors. Used on my old mtb team. Their long sleeves are thermal and awesome. Great warm vests too. Highly recommended assuming their stuff hasn't changed too much in 2 years. Still wear the shorts when my Rio stuff is all used up (ie I forget to do laundry for a week) and love them.
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    Our team is going with custom Giordana kits this year. You know? Like, taking our measurements. I heard the stuff is really good. But going to cost a little more.
    My only concern is putting extra money into something that, one, you probably cannot resell, and, two, f'ing it up in a crash.

    We've been in Giordana since the beginning. I love the stuff.

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    would love to hear how the custom stuff fits, substructure.

    i hate most cycling jerseys because the fronts are cut way too long, and end up bunching up and sticking out around my abdomen.
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    any chance we could add pricing into the mix?

    we have LG stuff too and its really nice. I barely if at all notice any difference between it and some of my nicer stuff like assos.

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    LG: Very nice stuff. Fit was definately 'race' good chamois, good quality.

    Champion. Colors were not nearly as bright as the Giordana stuff we ordered. Hands down the worst chamois I've ever worn.

    Giordana: Nice colors, great chamois, jerseys had a club cut even though they called it a race cut. Example, I need to wear and XS in Giordana but a SM in LG, Castelli or Champion

    Castelli: I really liked what they did for my first team but it was under different management then so I cannot vouch for the quality now. At the time the best chamois I'd ever worn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flatballer View Post
    Giordana

    Overall good stuff
    I find the stuff very comfortable. Better than most products I've tried and way better than our old LG kit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeCanon View Post
    forgot one more:

    Louis Garneau - great chamois, good material, good sizing, good colors. Used on my old mtb team. Their long sleeves are thermal and awesome. Great warm vests too. Highly recommended assuming their stuff hasn't changed too much in 2 years. Still wear the shorts when my Rio stuff is all used up (ie I forget to do laundry for a week) and love them.
    I like their vests. The chamois I didn't like after about 2 hours. It was the one with all the dimples, maybe they have changed it since then.

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    LG - Used last year on my collegiate and normal team. I like the bibs a lot, they fit tight and have a decent chamois. I used both the cheap blue cheese grater looking chamois and the ergo zone air higher end one, both were fine. The problem is the zippers, they suck. Out of 5 tops all new last year, only 2 have zippers that haven't fallen apart.

    Kalas - New for this year, seems to fit very well. Everything sizes down though, I'm 6'3 170 lbs and wearing a small in almost everything. Lots of chamois options, and they're really pretty cheap.

    Voler - Good kit, the bibs are nice for the price. No problems with the jerseys or skinsuit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdcheung View Post
    would love to hear how the custom stuff fits, substructure.

    i hate most cycling jerseys because the fronts are cut way too long, and end up bunching up and sticking out around my abdomen.
    The sugoi kit I have now are the first jerseys I've ever had that don't do that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lithuania View Post
    any chance we could add pricing into the mix?

    we have LG stuff too and its really nice. I barely if at all notice any difference between it and some of my nicer stuff like assos.
    in my experience, pricing is proprietary and based on what you negotiate, which is largely affected by anticipated order volume and minimums.
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    Quote Originally Posted by El Diablo Rojo View Post
    LG: Very nice stuff. Fit was definately 'race' good chamois, good quality.
    I loved my LG bibs for the first three months, then they blew out. I still wear them, but they feel saggy.

    Hincapie is the most durable lycra I've ever owned. Good compression when new (not quite LG tight, but tight), but they still feel like new three years later (weekly wear). I would choose Hincapie over the other brands I've owned.

    I like Giordana pretty well. No problems, but not that premium feel I got from the Hincapie stuff.

    Champion has been fine for me, but the bibs blow out after a while (not as fast as the LGs though).

    Sugoi has some pretty nice stuff. I'd be willing to buy a kit from them.

    I'll never buy another LG kit though. Ever.

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    champ sys - crap chamois. crap quality. jersey breathes as well as a plastic bag. fit well. cheap. made to last a season at most, as the price reflects.

    vermarc - so so. sublimation fades quickly on bibs. price is right.

    nalini - fit is ok. chamois is adequate. quality is ok, but not outstanding.

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    Voler - 2009 chamois is OK, but just OK. Supposed to be a new one for 2010 which is better, we'll see. Bib colors significantly different than 'same' color jersey, but doesn't fade much with use. Bib sizes seem to run on the big side. Both bibs and jerseys seem pretty durable. Good zippers on the jerseys. I don't care for the jackets much. They're at least 1 size bigger than the jersey (i.e. medium jersey=small jacket) and the material is too stiff. It is pretty warm, though. The arm & knee warmers are fine as are the gloves. No real big issues to deal with beyond some unusual fits. The good news is that there are enough fit options to find something for just about anyone. The Voler reps are good people and willing to work hard for your business.

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    Squaddra - very very nice stuff. Bascially Castelli. "Euro" sizing and very tight, race cut. Customer service is excellent. Have only tried shorts s/s jersey and wind vest.

    Voler - very good especially for the price (our team has huge volumes which may make it cheaper). The upgraded short material and chamois are worth the extra. No problems with anything from them (s/s jersey, l/s jersey, winter jacket, bibs, knickers, wind vest, arm warmers). More normal fit.

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    Sugoi- Shorts are great. Chamois is awesome and the fit is good. Jersey breathes very well, but the pockets are a little high on the back for my liking and it seems to bunch up a little on my shoulders, which probably negates the effect of their "aero" fabric. The jersey has also started to become un-stitched at the bottom of the 3/4 zipper. This is after only part of a season and I usually train in another jersey for the reasons that I've mentioned. I love the shorts. The jersey is alright.
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    I've used Champ Sys in the past. They helped me with Bethel when they were getting started.

    I've used Nalini, Voler, Hincapie, and Giordana, but I think my experience is either too limited or too far in the past to gather any useful info. I thought Nalini, Hincapie, and Giordana were all very good. Voler had weird sizing and, back then, less than ideal fabric. Not sure now.

    VERGE - they have not been mentioned. By far the best kit I've ever used. Period. I have jerseys and shorts that I use regularly from 2004, shorts from before that (but I can't tell which one is which). Printing is vivid, high quality, and they use hidden zippers (maybe I specified them?) so the front of the jersey looks "right".

    Jacket is super high quality, snug, warm, comfy, vivid colors, hidden zip, fits well.
    Shorts are excellent, comfy, well wearing. Good with abrasion (crashes). No blown seams, even after 5-6 years, unlike other shorts I've had that have literally blown apart when I tried them on (and no, I wasn't that fat).
    Jerseys are vivid, super long wearing, there are thin and thick versions of the LS jersey.
    Knickers are good, not too tight on calf, warm, comfy, printed well.
    Vests are basic, fine, and good quality.
    I haven't used their tights, leg warmers, or arm warmers.

    Disclaimer: they currently supply my Bethel Spring Series with Leaders' Jerseys at no charge. If you talk to someone about Carpe Diem Racing, they probably won't badmouth the name.

    However, I paid a LOT of money for my last two years' worth of kits - I got asked for and got no deals on my team kits, I didn't even take part in any decision processes (I just said I like Verge, and they ultimately picked Verge themselves - I was "just a team member"). One drawback: price.

    More expensive than the others I think. Definitely not bargain basement stuff, but in my experience you get what you pay for.

    VO Max - We got our 2010 kits already. I didn't have any input on design, selecting company, etc.

    Shorts seem decent for 2 hours (longest ride, but on a trainer, so far).
    Jersey is cut a bit big.
    Haven't used LS jersey, vest, arm warmers, or leg warmers.

    Printing is vivid, nice, but big honkin' zipper in front (missing important letters or two on sponsors' names). One thing I'd avoid - the Jacket. It's like a Member's Only jacket, not a bike jacket. 2 front pockets, super baggy, stylish to wear to a book signing but I wouldn't want to ride in it.

    One nit-pick. Usually a clothing company will know how a design on paper will look in real life. They should have said (and maybe they did) that our design wouldn't work properly. The short's panels are tall and the side sponsor is illegible because half the words are up around my armpit. The rear panel is tall, and the top part isn't visible unless I pull my jersey up. I think VOMax should have said something. Maybe they did, I don't know, but usually panels have "recommended" print areas, the rest being hidden.

    cdr

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    More on VOMax - I don't know if CDR had this issue, but I know a few others did. The leg openings on the short are freakishly big. Maybe I just don't have the guads these bibs were made for, but I can't ride in a small because the legs are so big. The rest of the bibs fit fine, maybe a little bigger then other stuff I've worn but tolerable). Can't question on the chamois as I can't ride in the shorts. The Jersey is pretty nice, good material, good fitting and vivd colors, doesn't sag when you put a bottle in the rear pockets, good stuff. I second the comment regarding the lettering on the jersey. Main sponsors have some serious portions of their names/logos blocked out. Arm and leg warmers are a little thin. I've got some LG arm warmers that are muuuch thicker and much warmer than the VOmax stuff, but the VOmax will be perfect on 65F spring days. Overall it seems like really nice stuff, I can't wait to get some XS shorts to try out the chamois.

    LG-Makes the kits for one of the clubs I ride with. Bibs are awesome. One of the best chamois I have used. Nice colors and they haven't faded after a full season of hard use. These are my go to bibs for long rides (207 miles w/ no problems ). Jersey is very loose. I'm sure that it is "club" cut not "race" cut which is probably part of the problem. The jersey sags quite a bit when water bottles are placed in the pockets, which is kind of a pain. Also, the jersey is very light and breathable. Good for the summer, but it sucks for this time of year.

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    CapoForma- fantastic quality and fit with a great pad. White gets down right funky colored after one rain race/ride. The Jersey material doesn't breath all that well on the 09 stuff but the '10 gear changed to a much better fabric and the legs are now doubled over fabric instead of the elastic gripper. Much more comfy. Also the new kits are shorter in the front to reduce the bunching and longer in the sleeves(not sure why). The bibs are also longer now with the new cuff.

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    I like this thread.

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    Well done, bdcheung!
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    Mt Borah: Very good customer service. Low minimums. Decent assortment of fabric style and chamois grades to chose from, with varying prices. We ordered about 40 pieces from them last summer and plan a bigger order this winter. The lead time from when we paid until it arrived was an impressive 4 weeks. I highly recommend Mt Borah

    Squadra/Castelli USA decent quality, high minimums, lack luster customer service. They lost our business to Mt Borah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike868y View Post
    More on VOMax - I don't know if CDR had this issue, but I know a few others did. The leg openings on the short are freakishly big. Maybe I just don't have the guads these bibs were made for, but I can't ride in a small because the legs are so big. The rest of the bibs fit fine, maybe a little bigger then other stuff I've worn but tolerable). Can't question on the chamois as I can't ride in the shorts. The Jersey is pretty nice, good material, good fitting and vivd colors, doesn't sag when you put a bottle in the rear pockets, good stuff. I second the comment regarding the lettering on the jersey. Main sponsors have some serious portions of their names/logos blocked out. Arm and leg warmers are a little thin. I've got some LG arm warmers that are muuuch thicker and much warmer than the VOmax stuff, but the VOmax will be perfect on 65F spring days. Overall it seems like really nice stuff, I can't wait to get some XS shorts to try out the chamois.
    I found the legs to be "un-snug" but not necessarily loose. And I don't have freakishly big guads either Overall everything seemed a bit loose. Club cut vs race cut? I don't know. Me losing weight? No, because the Verge fits the same as it ever did, pretty much.

    I can't imagine where the side panel graphics end up on a size S or XS shorts - on my Ms they're literally half obscured by the jersey. I see "Manch" and "cycle.com" on the two different sides.

    I haven't tried the other stuff, and I haven't ridden outside, so I'll reserve judgment on that stuff later. I also haven't tried riding with my pockets stuffed (good observation). With Verge I've ridden with SS jersey with the following in the pockets - 2 LS jerseys, vest, wallet, keys, Big Phone (Palm), 3 enervits - and rode comfortably, nothing moving around too much.

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