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    dumb noob trainer questions.

    So I finally picked up a trainer setup. I ordered a Kurt Kinetic Road Machine and a Continental Ultra Sport Trainer Tire and now have a bunch of questions since this is going to be my first time using a trainer.

    1. How necessary is a Trainer Mat? I will be riding on a carpet if that matters. What is the point? To catch sweat? Quiet the trainer?

    2. Are all Trainer Riser Blocks the same? Any that are inherenly better? I was looking at the Kurt Kinetic Turntable Swivel Base Riser Ring. Seems nice and it also swivels. Is that a useful function?



    3. Trainer DVD’s. I am looking to pick up some DVD's for the trainer. It seems Spinervals are the most popular. I remember a great thread where everyone posted what the best videos they had were but this search sucks and I cant find it again. What are some of the better disks? I think a lot of people mentioned one called sweating buckets as being the best. Honestly I was on the site and they must have 1000 different dvds and all sorts of series and such. Considering how expensive the dvds are I would rather not waste my time with crap ones. Which are the least boring, most useful, etc...

    4. Finally for those with trainers can you go all out sprinting on them? I do not want to damage my bike so I am not sure if it is possible to really rip on the bike while it is mounted steady.

    Thanks!

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    1. If you're like me, important. I sweat a lot. I just use a yoga mat, I think I paid $2 for the one I use at a yard sale.

    2. I'm a cheapskate (see my $2 used yoga mat referenced above). I just use an old phone book in a giant ziplock bag. It works fine.

    3. I just use netflix, or my local block buster, and get caught up on the movies I missed last year. I don't feel the need to watch someone else tell me what I need to be doing while I'm on a trainer.

    4. I can't.
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    1 - it also keeps little shards of rubber that will delaminate from your tire out of your carpet and on a mat. a beach towel works, as do mechanics mats

    2 - i use a cycleops one, it doesnt move around while i'm riding. i find the ones that arent stable to be a distraction (i'm riding the trainer on a bare sealed concrete floor, so plastic slides easily

    3 - I like watching race videos, makes great gift ideas for folks to buy you for holidays/birthdays, etc., and it's mindless enough to be background noise, or can be exciting enough to be motivational. spinervals are OK, but too high intensity for this time of year for me, and I find coach troy annoying.

    4 - i'd be more worried about how well I was connected to the trainer and the risk of coming off than I am about damaging my bike on the trainer, but i'm not very strong.

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    1) I use a thick old area rug under my trainer, seems sufficient.
    2) I use a couple old phone books. The lower one is closed to raise the wheel, the upper one is open halfway to make a tire groove.
    3) I don’t watch trainer videos. Normally I listen to really loud music to cover up the trainer noise and occasionally look at the TV which I put on CC mute.
    4) No sprinting on the trainer for me.

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    I initially bought the trainer mat for my rollers. The tile floor I train on is not perfectly even.

    I was sold the swivel ring for the KK rock and roll since it(the trainer) had the side to side motion, the swivel is actuated on occasion. Not entirely necessary but it does work. I don't think you would need it for a stationary one.

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    thanks for all the replies. Ill pick up a trainer mat since i sweat a ton and would like to keep rubber pieces out of the carpet. seems the riser block isnt to important to be specific. either way ill probably end up with the KK swivel one since its cheap enough. What cycling DVDs do you guys have that arent spinervals? I havent seen any besides tour de france videos.

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    Carmicheals dvds are pretty good.

    http://www.optimumfitnessresults.com/I have one of these (VO2 max) and plan to get the lactate and anarobic this winter.

    Although it was a pain, I got the sufferfest podcasts and burned them to dvd to do. Those are fun. http://www.thesufferfest.com/

    He now sells them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wanders View Post
    Carmicheals dvds are pretty good.

    http://www.optimumfitnessresults.com/I have one of these (VO2 max) and plan to get the lactate and anarobic this winter.

    Although it was a pain, I got the sufferfest podcasts and burned them to dvd to do. Those are fun. http://www.thesufferfest.com/

    He now sells them.
    wow those look so much more interesting than the spinervals. I just bought the sufferfest since it was so cheap and looks great. thanks

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    It helps to have a huge fan (I use an industrial type floor fan, the kind where the lights dim when you turn it on, and it will literally hold 1/2" of water in a flooded basement back about 5 feet when on high). I usually put it on low. If I wear any little headband or cap I'm usually okay for sweat. On harder or hotter days (I ride the trainer throughout the year) I'll bump up the speed to med or high and supplement with a standard "household" 24" floor fan on high.

    DVDs - I like watching races or (new to me) action movies. The better movies have well timed peaks, and if I get into the movie, I usually end up doing about 15 mini-intervals (Bourne series are the best ones so far). Race DVDs are good too - stage races have automatic peaks (finish of each stage), and Classics have a lot of random attacks.

    Also it's good to watch people do things they're good at - like pro cyclists riding a bike. Immersing yourself isn't a bad thing, so you pick up subconscious habits. Watching race DVDs is not bad.

    Sprinting - trainers, from what I can tell, seem to be limited to about 1000 watts, maybe 1100. That's a pre-sprint effort for many folks. One of the selling points of a couple of the new power-stationary-bikes (where resistance is applied to a relatively large wheel, say 15" in diameter) is that you can do more than "what trainers limit you to". I read that as acknowledgment of the trainer's inherent limitation in allowing max efforts.

    The Rock N Roll should be better, ditto the free-motion rollers with resistance. I have to imagine that you'll get tire slip on a sharp jump on the rollers, and a roller that's 2-3 inches in diameter will slip at some point no matter what.

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    I sweat like hell, so the mat is vitally important unless you want to ruin whatever floor covering (save concrete) the trainer will be parked on.

    I can only get up to 80-85% of my max in a sprint... it feels too un-natural trying to do an all out sprint on the trainer to me, plus I'm sure the bike isn't happy about it either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carpediemracing View Post
    It helps to have a huge fan (I use an industrial type floor fan, the kind where the lights dim when you turn it on, and it will literally hold 1/2" of water in a flooded basement back about 5 feet when on high). I usually put it on low. If I wear any little headband or cap I'm usually okay for sweat. On harder or hotter days (I ride the trainer throughout the year) I'll bump up the speed to med or high and supplement with a standard "household" 24" floor fan on high.

    DVDs - I like watching races or (new to me) action movies. The better movies have well timed peaks, and if I get into the movie, I usually end up doing about 15 mini-intervals (Bourne series are the best ones so far). Race DVDs are good too - stage races have automatic peaks (finish of each stage), and Classics have a lot of random attacks.

    Also it's good to watch people do things they're good at - like pro cyclists riding a bike. Immersing yourself isn't a bad thing, so you pick up subconscious habits. Watching race DVDs is not bad.

    Sprinting - trainers, from what I can tell, seem to be limited to about 1000 watts, maybe 1100. That's a pre-sprint effort for many folks. One of the selling points of a couple of the new power-stationary-bikes (where resistance is applied to a relatively large wheel, say 15" in diameter) is that you can do more than "what trainers limit you to". I read that as acknowledgment of the trainer's inherent limitation in allowing max efforts.

    The Rock N Roll should be better, ditto the free-motion rollers with resistance. I have to imagine that you'll get tire slip on a sharp jump on the rollers, and a roller that's 2-3 inches in diameter will slip at some point no matter what.

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    Yea I have a nice big box fan and a floor fan so hopefully that will be good. I like the idea of watching race videos so ill pick some of those up to. Hopefully I can subconsciously pick up some good habits.

    Quote Originally Posted by saratoga View Post
    I sweat like hell, so the mat is vitally important unless you want to ruin whatever floor covering (save concrete) the trainer will be parked on.

    I can only get up to 80-85% of my max in a sprint... it feels too un-natural trying to do an all out sprint on the trainer to me, plus I'm sure the bike isn't happy about it either.
    No big deal. The trainer will be used more for other things then all out sprints I was just curious.

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    If you are a sweat hog like myself...keep a small hand towel for your bars and another for your head. I use a headband to keep it out of my eyes and not to be annoyed by the constant dripping (even with a fan). Drape a towel over your bars to catch the drips.
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    does anybody have the old sufferfest videos (1-5) by any chance?

    I know they were distributed for free but can't find them anywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick29 View Post
    does anybody have the old sufferfest videos (1-5) by any chance?

    I know they were distributed for free but can't find them anywhere.
    On his blog (in October 09') he said that

    "I’ll have some new vids out in November (had to take the current ones down due to rights issues) – so keep watching! Cheers, David McQuillen"

    It is already december so i am not sure if the oridinal 5 will be back. looks like the sufferfest one now replaced them.

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    I did find this but i cant get it to work. maybe youll have better luck

    The Sufferfest 3 - Breakaway, Climb and Sprint!
    http://www.muft.tv/watch/Video,Item,1658358509.html

    The Sufferfest 4 - Heaven Knows I'm Miserable Now
    http://www.muft.tv/watch/Video,Item,909541350.html

    The Sufferfest 5 - Glory Days of Tears and Pain
    http://www.muft.tv/watch/Video,Item,3893409355.html

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    I think as the sufferfest videos gained in popularity, they ran into some copyright issues.(I may be totally wrong) I have all five of the originals and just bought the latest. The quality of the last one is twice that of the others.

    I hope he reworks them and put the originals back up for sale.
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    I watched Pan's Labrynth on the trainer last night, plus the local news. 2:30 on the damn thing, my shoes were still soaked from sweat this morning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wanders View Post
    I think as the sufferfest videos gained in popularity, they ran into some copyright issues.(I may be totally wrong) I have all five of the originals and just bought the latest. The quality of the last one is twice that of the others.

    I hope he reworks them and put the originals back up for sale.
    yea he said there were copyright issues. on the new one he had to find music that was free or cheap which is why it is all "no name" bands. I do not know what the music was on the first ones, but I am assuming even if he used one popular band they probably requested a couple thousand in royalties so he had to remove them.

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    I've been using trainers for a few years now and I've noticed that I gain nothing if I don't kill myself on it.. lol

    I like the CTS training DVD's most of all, mainly because of the structure. They are well planned and expertly executed. I have watched a few of the spinnervals and (I have 5 or 6 of them). They are much harder but less refined. Either one gives me a good workout as long as I push it 100%.

    I also really like the Race Day Criterium race simulation dvd.
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    I don't know how anyone watches anything while on a trainer unless they're doing L1-L2 stuff (I don't-on the trainer). My trainer sessions are usually limited to 10-20 minutes of warm-up followed by intervals that make me wish I could stomach playing golf.

    No way you can do an all out sprint on a normal trainer. Doesn't even feel close to the same. Seated lead-outs intervals maybe.

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    I don't have much to add, but:

    1) Use a trainer mat so that sweat does not go into the carpet. You can also pick up plastic stair/pathway covering at a hardware store for about 70 cents per foot. Get 6 feet and you should be good to go. However, I really do like the cyclops sweat mat and it does dampen noise also.

    2) Riser blocks can be anything. I guess swiveling might be nice for a BIT more of a real feel, but as the bike si still fixed, I cant imagine it would be that great. I know people who have hammered a few pieces of scrap wood together, used phone books, or have a "real" block. Doesn't matter.

    3) As for DVDs, I used the spinervals, thought they were ok, but not outstanding. Havent had experience with others BUT, the only thing that has allowed me to do hours upon hours inside on the trainer has been the Tacx Real Life Videos which require their Trainer and a computer. However, they also have something called "Video Cycling" that is very close to the RLV in that it is also a film of a ride (usually stages from grand tours or other races), that you would watch, but instead of the video changing speed with your effort and the trainer giving resistance to the effort, there are on screen cues that tell you what your trainer resistance should be at for the given portion of the ride. Might help the ride feel more "real" to you? They are not "workout" videos with someone telling you waht to do. They are just rides through the countryside, or up the Alpe D'huez and whatnot.

    4) Yes, one can sprint unless it is a cheap trainer/poorly designed and does not have any stability (you will have less stability on a carpet depending on how thick it is. This is also predicated on the fact that when sprinting you don't throw the bike around like a puppy with a rope toy. Most sprinters put the power into the pedals.

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    on the video note, here's my latest find:

    you tube cycling channel

    lots of playlists in the 40-60 min range, lots of variety and, um, FREE

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    ^good one.
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