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    Race and training tips please.

    Hello, atm im on a Sirrus sport 09 but will be on an Allez 09 or Allez elite 2010 depending on what my Christmas looks like.

    Im trying to ride at least 20 miles a day. i ride a few long flat courses and then transition to hills. Days above 40 i do about 30-40 miles.

    My over-all solo 30 mile average is 20 mph +/- 1 mph.

    My goal is to stay with the peleton. but I honestly don't care how badly i do at first. I's cat 5 but want to go to 4 this year.

    Mostly flats at college with some rolling hills if you know where to look. estimate 10 percent gradient. Home is all hills few flats. I go there on the weekends and ride.

    Any suggestions to make this workout better? and what's the 33 41 and 191?
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    Here in the 33, we like the shift key.

    Read Botto's racing sticky at the top of this forum, then you can ask more specific questions.
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    im not looking for other peoples experience. im asking will you look at what im doing an say, hmm... that's not a terrible start, or YOU IDIOT!!! what are you doing? i just want to know if what im doing will be adequate, a yes or no answer suffices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpecialKo View Post
    im not looking for other peoples experience. im asking will you look at what im doing an say, hmm... that's not a terrible start, or YOU IDIOT!!! what are you doing? i just want to know if what im doing will be adequate, a yes or no answer suffices.
    Seriously, read the sticky, you are asking things that have been covered a million times and in the racing forum we don't tolerate the same level of noise that the road forum does. I will tell you that "the 33"is the racing forum (cause it's forum #33), and the road cycling forum is "the 41". I'll leave the 191 as an exercise for you

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    You should ride more. At your level of experience and training, you're still in the ride more = faster stage.
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    A few more tips that will help you here in the 33:

    Quote Originally Posted by SpecialKo View Post
    Im trying to ride at least 20 miles a day. i ride a few long flat courses and then transition to hills. Days above 40 i do about 30-40 miles.
    Repeat after me: distance doesn't matter, it's time and intensity. Distance is for the 41.

    Quote Originally Posted by SpecialKo View Post
    My over-all solo 30 mile average is 20 mph +/- 1 mph.
    Average speed doesn't matter either. Because a) everyone's ride is different, and b) in a race it's not the average speed that kills people, it's the surges.

    Quote Originally Posted by SpecialKo View Post
    My goal is to stay with the peleton. but I honestly don't care how badly i do at first. I's cat 5 but want to go to 4 this year.
    Ambitious

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    estimate 10 percent gradient.
    Unless you are actually measuring it, I guarantee you are wrong.

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    good article.

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    He must be the same guy that complains about the pace being too low. From the back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpecialKo View Post
    im not looking for other peoples experience. im asking will you look at what im doing an say, hmm... that's not a terrible start, or YOU IDIOT!!! what are you doing? i just want to know if what im doing will be adequate, a yes or no answer suffices.
    This is BF kid. First, they yell at you. Particularly here @ Road Nazi Central. If you want warm and fuzzy you're in the wrong friggin place.

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    Join your college's cycling team, if they have one. They'll be able to help you out.

    Beyond that, enjoy suffering.
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    Quote Originally Posted by umd View Post
    b) in a race it's not the average speed that kills people, it's the surges.
    Well, it's the average speed that kills me.


    ...that, and the surges, I guess.

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    In all seriousness, here's Botto are tips:

    1. Find some group rides, fast group rides. Sit in the back.
    2. Don't get discouraged if/when you get dropped from those group rides.
    3. Go back the following week and do the fast group ride again.
    4. If you're dropped a 2nd time, repeat steps 2 & 3
    5. Once you're comfortable with the group and pace (and vice versa), take some pulls.
    6. Once you're comfortable taking pulls, try some attacks (if it's that kind of group ride).
    7. Once you're comfortable with steps 5 & 6, it's time to enter a race.
    8. At your first race, repeat steps 1-6, but substitute 'race' for 'group ride'.

    I don't see in the original post anything about group rides. Therefore, your training doesn't look good.

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    The usual advice to noobs is to "just do it" al a Nike. That's pretty good advice. That feedback is very direct.

    If it is possible do training rides with people that actually race, like mentioned in botto's sticky. Some of the ride might actually be similar to racing (usually the town/county line sprints). If you show any talent they will let you know. If you are a total squirrel the will "yell" at you.
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    can we get this thread moved or locked?

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    No!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpecialKo View Post
    Mostly Ds at college...
    .fify

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    Quote Originally Posted by botto View Post
    can we get this thread moved or locked?
    Do we have a clueless Fratboy Forum to move this to?
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