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Old 03-15-10, 03:23 PM   #1
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I didn't want any Donkey answers from the 41. Kit question?

I am starting a cycling related business. I should be up and running in the next 2 months. I would really like to have some nice race worthy/oriented kits with my company logo and name on them. Race cut stuff.

I have had personal experience in the past yr with Louis Garneau (my current team kit), Castelli, Voler, and Girodana.

What would you guys recommend? What tends to be the most popular in terms of quality, service, etc in the racing circles/clubs/local teams?

I am leaning towards the Champsys stuff. The quality looks really good, and they have a ton of options with small minimums which I like. I have heard that the shorts/bibs tend to run really short which I am not too hot on.

Any other recommendations? Capo? Verge?

Fill me in on qaulity, fit, cost.

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http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...lothing+thread

check there in case you missed it.
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chmpsys quality is crap. their biggest plus is small runs. the race cut is also good.

i would guess that the only people who claim it's too short are the 99ers who want to work the bibs to your knee look.
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In the last three years, I've had team kit by Giordana, Champsys, and Verge.

My opinion: Of the three, Giordana was the best -- highest quality, best fit, best durability. But expensive, slow to deliver, and high minimums.

Champsys: can't say anything good about their clothes except that they do small orders. Weird sizing, rough chamois.

Verge: the sweet spot for our little team. Good quality, quick turnaround, not too expensive.
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hincapie is decent quality but i think they need larger orders. also, i have pretty slim arms, and there is nothing that fits me. i have to rubber band my arm warmers to keep them from falling off, and have to pin my jersey sleeves to keep them from flapping around. seems to have gotten worse last year.
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chmpsys quality is crap. their biggest plus is small runs. the race cut is also good.

i would guess that the only people who claim it's too short are the 99ers who want to work the bibs to your knee look.

I a few friends that stayed at our house a few weeks ago for a stage race all had Champsys stuff. It seemed really nice. Everything but the zippers. They seemed crappy. It was nicer than my Castelli stuff (which is literally double the price), or my current LG stuff. The materials, and overall finish seemed on par with most. One of my friends said the chamois wasn't on par with others.

I am 6'1" and about 150-155lbs during the season and have trouble with shorts being too short or riding up (if they don't have grippers).

Hmm, now I am thinking about it, crappy chammois, too short, crappy zippers, you might be on to something...LOL.

I have a pair of those 200.00 Castelli Free Bibs. Those have to be the worst quality bibs I have ever seen. They literally fell apart after 5 washings. The band at the bottom became unatached, stitching came loose, suspenders stretched out so bad they fell off of your shoulders. You name it. The jersey I had was no better. Lucky they were free.
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Thanks. Good info in there.
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I am leaning towards the Champsys stuff. The quality looks really good, and they have a ton of options with small minimums which I like. I have heard that the shorts/bibs tend to run really short which I am not too hot on.
I've never heard a good thing about ChampSys (the clothing anyway). I would also avoid Pactimo.

I've been happy with Voler.
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I liked Pactimo although the sizing was different. Champ stuff is not horrid. I shudder at the thought of wear the bibs though. The jerseys are like wearing bag though. Cuts are good - as botto mentioned.

We're trying VOmax right now based on the recommendation of a lot of the collegiate racers that I sponsor in the area. Jury is still out.
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BTW - this is kind of like asking what's the best saddle or shoe. It just depends on each person. For every person who likes your kits there will be one that doesn't.
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I a few friends that stayed at our house a few weeks ago for a stage race all had Champsys stuff. It seemed really nice. Everything but the zippers. They seemed crappy. It was nicer than my Castelli stuff (which is literally double the price), or my current LG stuff. The materials, and overall finish seemed on par with most. One of my friends said the chamois wasn't on par with others.

I am 6'1" and about 150-155lbs during the season and have trouble with shorts being too short or riding up (if they don't have grippers).

Hmm, now I am thinking about it, crappy chammois, too short, crappy zippers, you might be on to something...LOL.

I have a pair of those 200.00 Castelli Free Bibs. Those have to be the worst quality bibs I have ever seen. They literally fell apart after 5 washings. The band at the bottom became unatached, stitching came loose, suspenders stretched out so bad they fell off of your shoulders. You name it. The jersey I had was no better. Lucky they were free.
Thanks for reminding me about the broken Champsys zippers.
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In the last three years, I've had team kit by Giordana, Champsys, and Verge.

My opinion: Of the three, Giordana was the best -- highest quality, best fit, best durability. But expensive, slow to deliver, and high minimums.

Champsys: can't say anything good about their clothes except that they do small orders. Weird sizing, rough chamois.

Verge: the sweet spot for our little team. Good quality, quick turnaround, not too expensive.
Hmm Verge huh? I will have to look into them. I will only need about 12 kits. Maybe a skinsuit or two. I have a feeling I am going to get stuck with Champsys.
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BTW - this is kind of like asking what's the best saddle or shoe. It just depends on each person. For every person who likes your kits there will be one that doesn't.

Yeah, but it would be nice to find out what the (majority) likes. That way I make the right decision. I don't think they are as bad as saddles or shoes. Hell, everyone on my team wears the same kit and lives with it, but they sure couldn't all live with the same saddle if you know what I mean?
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I've never heard a good thing about ChampSys (the clothing anyway). I would also avoid Pactimo.

I've been happy with Voler.

Voler seems to have really stepped up their game this season. The stuff has definitely become more high end with some better fits. They are close as well, that helps. I might contact them. I think I know someone there as well which might help with my minium.
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I have a few Race cut pactimo kits and love them. I recently got a hincapie kit, also rc and im happy with the quality and its real comfy, but the bibs are to the knee which im not crazy about.
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Yeah, but it would be nice to find out what the (majority) likes. That way I make the right decision. I don't think they are as bad as saddles or shoes. Hell, everyone on my team wears the same kit and lives with it, but they sure couldn't all live with the same saddle if you know what I mean?
Yeah I know, but still.....I HATE kit orders. Everyone always has a different opinion and it can be a real PITA. You hit the nail on the head with 'everyone on my team wears the same kit and lives with it' and that's usually what happens after the kits show up. It's between kits when there might be a chance of changing something that's been bothering them that people tend to go bananas.
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My team started last year and the team kit was only a jersey and they went with ChampSys. I wish that the race cut jersey was a little longer in the torso.

This year we are going with Vomax and getting bibs and jerseys. Vomax sizing is a lot "roomier" than ChampSys, that's for sure. The kits should be in any day now. I will give more input after I've ridden in the new kit a couple of times.
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Yeah I know, but still.....I HATE kit orders. Everyone always has a different opinion and it can be a real PITA. You hit the nail on the head with 'everyone on my team wears the same kit and lives with it' and that's usually what happens after the kits show up. It's between kits when there might be a chance of changing something that's been bothering them that people tend to go bananas.
Oh man, I know how it is. No matter what brand I get in, it won't be the right brand! LOL.
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Have you checked out Sugoi?
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just got a giordana team kit, absolutely love the bibs, the jersey is decent (the zipper sucks which is annoying).

have another vomax jersey, love it, great cut, great zipper.

verge shorts, wasn't a big fan of the chamois, but that may have been the style I have.
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My team started last year and the team kit was only a jersey and they went with ChampSys. I wish that the race cut jersey was a little longer in the torso.

This year we are going with Vomax and getting bibs and jerseys. Vomax sizing is a lot "roomier" than ChampSys, that's for sure. The kits should be in any day now. I will give more input after I've ridden in the new kit a couple of times.
And wider in the shoulders! Unless you're built like Rasmussen, the jerseys will be tight on the shoulders and arms.
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Giordana is really nice stuff.
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And wider in the shoulders! Unless you're built like Rasmussen, the jerseys will be tight on the shoulders and arms.
just because you wasted too much time popping creatine and pumping iron does not mean that the rest of the world should accommodate your disproportionate build.

just sayin'
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My team started last year and the team kit was only a jersey and they went with ChampSys. I wish that the race cut jersey was a little longer in the torso.

Exactly! I'm a skinny but tall bugger, so I like the fit of the Champsys race cut jersey - I just wish it was longer in the torso too. As far as their bibs go, I find the chamois in my Louis Garneau kit far comfier.
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