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Old 03-21-10, 04:06 PM   #1
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Tampa Twilight Criterium and Pinellas Park Circuit Race -Who's In?

Tampa Twilight Criterium will be my first race. Obviously in the 5's with Ride N Roll Cyclery. Not decided on PP yet. I should ,seeing how I work at Lockheed Martin and drive the course daily.
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Im reg for both...

I did the PP circuit last year, its a fun course IMO. (turn 1 was a little narrow/dirty, otherwise it was good).
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tbd. Now that I survived the loaf weekend, I'm focusing on bigger fish right now, and my legs might be toast this weekend.
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My team is putting the Tampa crit on... I'll be there. It's going to be a huge deal, even better than last year.
They're trying to recruit me for motoref duty which should be good too.
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Quite possibly PP circuit in the 3's
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Previewing the PP course today in an hour. I'll report back later.
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The pinellas park course is tame. Pavement is fine, it's 85% in an industrial park (save for one long straight) and the roads are nice and wide. Only 3 turns, the rest of it is a giant curve. Flat as flat can be.
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I managed 8 laps of the 10 that I will be doing on Sunday. Felt good using the headwind on the long open straigh for LT intervals. Making the turn to start lap number 9 I found this in the road! WTF THIS SUCKS!

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That screw punctured the tire AND rim? WTF indeed...
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Yep, coming out of turn 1 I'm assuming heading south on the long straight. Do the promoters sweep corners before races?
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3" lag screw? Check.

Is that a front? Do you need a wheel for the races this weekend? Let me know.
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Of corse not, IT'S THE REAR. I went straight to the shop(Ride N Roll Cylery-plug for great service!) and by coincedence the owner was at American Classic picking up some wheels and grabbed me a rim to build up on Friday. Thanks for the offer.
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Tampa Twilight Criterium will be my first race. Obviously in the 5's....
FYI, the Tampa Crit is a 6-corner crit which is pretty technical. Here's what you have to watch out for:

1. There is a 2-block long section of old bricks ("old" meaning dating back to the turn of the century when typically all downtown roads were brick), with dips, potholes, and numerous bone-jarring rough spots.

2. At the end of the old brick section, which is 4 lanes wide, you turn right onto a narrow 4-block long section consisting of "new" bricks ("new" meaning the kind that is popular in modern downtown redevelopment areas). In this section you no longer have to worry about potholes, but you'll still be very much rattling along. The worst thing about this section is that it is essentially a "chicane". It's 2 lanes wide. But one lane is sectioned off for parking with a curb that juts out 10 feet at the beginning and at the end of every block. But, it gets worse than that. Every block the parking lane switches. One block it's on the right side. The next block it's on the left side. Then it switches back. So, every block the whole peleton swerves from one side of the road to the other side. And every block an entire side of the peleton has to avoid getting pinched against the curb that juts out into the lane and creating a hazardous bottleneck.

3. BTW, the "chicane" section is 1/2 a lap and 2-turns from the finish, so it's right where most of the jostling for critical position takes place in the bell lap.

All in all, this should make for quite a memorable "First (Cat.5) race" for you.

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P.S. Did you peruse the promoter's web-site? The first page headline reads:

SPEED, EXCITEMENT, and yes, A LITTLE BLOOD
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It's a technical course for sure.

The old brick section is on parts of Zack St. Franklin St is all brick- the "new" brick section mentioned above. It's not straight like the map shows either and is extremely narrow in the block between Kennedy and where the rt turn is onto Jackson. I noticed there's a big hole in the brick crosswalk at Tampa & Madison (turn 1) on my way home the other night that we're trying to get repaired before the race.

http://www.tampacrit.com/images/course_map.gif
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Just read an article about the race in the TBT which it warnes the spectators of "cyclist are known to jump curbs to avoid a bloddy crash and "riders will likely crash..." I will have my insurance card taped to the top of my helmet. See you tomorrow!
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Anyone there this weekend? How'd it go?

I was on the lead motor in nearly every race since the morning and tried to race the 3's at 4:00. By then I had gotten dehydrated even with taking in as much water as I could in between. Still have some remaining effects from the pneumonia which didn't help either. Ended up 23rd and should probably add that course is one of the best for breakaways, but not for my pack fodder arse.

I was the guy on the black/red Buell in case anyone was wondering. The BMW rider was our backup.
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FYI, the Tampa Crit is a 6-corner crit which is pretty technical. Here's what you have to watch out for:

1. There is a 2-block long section of old bricks ("old" meaning dating back to the turn of the century when typically all downtown roads were brick), with dips, potholes, and numerous bone-jarring rough spots.

2. At the end of the old brick section, which is 4 lanes wide, you turn right onto a narrow 4-block long section consisting of "new" bricks ("new" meaning the kind that is popular in modern downtown redevelopment areas). In this section you no longer have to worry about potholes, but you'll still be very much rattling along. The worst thing about this section is that it is essentially a "chicane". It's 2 lanes wide. But one lane is sectioned off for parking with a curb that juts out 10 feet at the beginning and at the end of every block. But, it gets worse than that. Every block the parking lane switches. One block it's on the right side. The next block it's on the left side. Then it switches back. So, every block the whole peleton swerves from one side of the road to the other side. And every block an entire side of the peleton has to avoid getting pinched against the curb that juts out into the lane and creating a hazardous bottleneck.

3. BTW, the "chicane" section is 1/2 a lap and 2-turns from the finish, so it's right where most of the jostling for critical position takes place in the bell lap.

All in all, this should make for quite a memorable "First (Cat.5) race" for you.

Bob

P.S. Did you peruse the promoter's web-site? The first page headline reads:

SPEED, EXCITEMENT, and yes, A LITTLE BLOOD
I was out there all day and, interestingly enough, unless my memory is bad I don't recall any crashes on the narrow brick chicane section. At least in the two races I did most people were aware of this section and didn't do anything stupid and were reasonably cautious. Most of the crashes I saw and got stuck behind occurred in turn two....a broad turn from a 3 lane road to a 4 lane boulevard all blocked off....probably the fastest turn but it should have been the easiest...go figure.
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I saw two guys go down on turn 2, the first on the first lap. I didn't have the legs or the lungs and felt flat. I'll chalk that up to no race experience. According to the results on Florida Cycling I got 14th out of 50. I didn't make it to PP. I didn't pre-register and found a ton of other things to do around the house that have been neglected since the weather started to warm up.
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I was out there all day and, interestingly enough, unless my memory is bad I don't recall any crashes on the narrow brick chicane section. At least in the two races I did most people were aware of this section and didn't do anything stupid and were reasonably cautious. Most of the crashes I saw and got stuck behind occurred in turn two....a broad turn from a 3 lane road to a 4 lane boulevard all blocked off....probably the fastest turn but it should have been the easiest...go figure.
I agree that turn #2 was the fastest and safest turn (although corner #1 was easy, too). And my theory is that that's probably exactly why people crashed there. They were cautious and paying attention everywhere else on the course and probably let their guard down in what everybody considered was the "safe" turn.

You could really hit that corner at full speed because it was slightly downhill, with mostly a tailwind, and right at the apex it was slightly banked. That made for a very fast corner that some people apparently didn't respect enough. I clipped my pedal 3 or 4 times in that corner.

Last year the worst crash of the day occured on the straight, flat, smooth finishing straight when someone relaxed, reached down for a water bottle, ran across a manhole cover and took down a line of riders behind him. He broke 12 teeth when he face-planted and the guy behind him broke his collar bone and a rib or two.

I guess there's "relaxing" and there's "relaxing". Remember when what's-his-name crashed for no apparent reason in last year's TDF and did a face-plant? Happens to the even the best.

Epic race and awesome venue, though.

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I raced both races and had a blast - I actually work over by the PP course too and didnt know that was there - I am going to start using that area for some of my interval training - I can go straight there after work - it is hard finding places over in that area to do longer intervals without traffic or stop signs or traffic lights - as long as I can dodge the lag bolts
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