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Old 03-21-10, 06:04 PM   #1
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Race bike?

I am new here, and to computer fourms period. I am not sure if this is the right place to ask this? Any one have any experience with BMC? I really like it. A little on my racing backround. Race from 83 as a Jr. and quit as a cat 3 in around 95-6. I need to grow up and get a real job and make some money. Mess around on and off the bike until 2000, nothing serious. In the back on my mind, racing will start up again but never happened. I needed to run my company and do the family thing. I had a minor, minor stroke last year and now I have gotta start doing something. This stress is slowly killing me. They can't find anything wrong with me at the hosptial. I am thinking riding would be a lot better then tennis. i really missed the trainning or club rides but not so much racing. I would like to get a new bike. Any suggestions on who's the big on line companies or where to look. I don't want a TRek or Giant. I am used to buying a frame and putting everything together or..? I really enjoy that part. I am open to anything you suggest. I like to hear about what's out there, I need a pro grade bike. Weight is not an issue, I don't care if i am riding a 3lbs bike, if you missed a break, you must chase like a dog to bridge the gap, and bring everyone back, so...

I will not race again. No time, but love to do club rides, and do not do centuries or ride to Starbucks and drink coffee. If you do, I am not trying to be offensive. How about those Cervelos? Color, this or last year's model is not that important. I am looking to spend 3-4k. Got sticker shock at my local shop and all they had were treks Orbea and did not like what I saw at Performance.

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Buy a BMC if it fits. If it doesn't there's plenty of other bikes. If you like something different but not too expensive consider a PedalForce. If you think "pro grade" is what the pros are seen on in pictures this year, it's not. If you think "pro grade" is raceable by pros, it is.

Riding is a lot better than tennis or golf. Those are sports for old people.
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Yes, racable by pro or race worthy. Seeing pros in pictures? All their stuffs are custom aren't they. done with $hit 20 years ago. I don't care what they ride anymore, i just need a good raceworthy bike. I don't even know whta's out there or where to look. I can't search the net for a long time, it drives me nuts.
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specialized sworks sl3 team edition.
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specialized sworks sl3 team edition.
Do you even know what is different about the "team" frame?
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Any Cannondale. I like Colnagos too...

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The paint job... duh.
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I love cannondale's, but pretty much anything that fits will work.
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Nope.
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Shorter head tube on the team.
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Shorter head tube on the team.
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So, tell me, I also notice the giant head tube on so many bikes I see now. Why? I was looking at my local shop and this young salesman got me to ride this Trek (because I was thinking about buying it) and I made some noise about the stem being too short and too tall, or high. His reply was that things have change, it is made for better breathing and better riding position. The damn thing was up near the tip of my saddle. I did not buy that crap for a minute. I don't think what he saying is true, is it? I have ridden fine with my nose to the stem for years, and have no problem. I am thinking why change now? I also wanted to change the cogs size and he laughed when I requested a 21 large cog and suggested a 27 and a 34 small ring. WTF am I climbing, trees? A 23 was the largest I had ever used, but a 27?

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Jeff, you need to go visit another lbs.
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That's why I didn't buy. There are lot of stuff people can BS me about, not road bike or racing, MTBs yes. I am sure thing have changed, but really how much. The salesman and the manager or owner kept wanting to fit me on their fit kit. I walked when they made a common about Giant and Trek are the best in the world and the Europeans are building crap.
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Jeff, you need to go visit another lbs.
What he said. And since you like building up the bike yourself and enjoy it so much, definitely go down that route.
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Yes, racable by pro or race worthy. Seeing pros in pictures? All their stuffs are custom aren't they. done with $hit 20 years ago. I don't care what they ride anymore, i just need a good raceworthy bike. I don't even know whta's out there or where to look. I can't search the net for a long time, it drives me nuts.
Depends on what you mean by "custom" but I think manufacturers realized how many people would want to ride what the pros have, so pros typically race mass production product. Very good quality mind you, but fully available to the consumer. Figure what you want for a gruppo and subtract that from your total cost. Then look for a frame you think you would like in the remaining budget. Though frankly, this still doesn't account for wheels, and from your initial post I cannot tell if you want a "race bike" for non race situations, or if you just want a high end bike with training wheels for training purposes.

One thing you might consider, because a complete bike is often cheaper than frame + groupset, get your bike, and just don't have the shop build it up so that you can have that fun instead.
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Unfortunately new bikes come pretty much fully assembled so there's not much building to be done. Just some assembly, but mostly tuning.
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Old 03-22-10, 02:31 AM   #17
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My racing blood stop boiling a long time ago (15 years ago and was really burned out and sick of being poor), but I really enjoy competive riding or club rides a lot and really miss it. Over the past 25+ years, I have had usually only one bike for racing and training. Had a whole bunch of them over the years. Now I just want a bike you can race on. I don't care if the pros ride it or not. I don't care if its high end or not. I am done with Colango, DeRosa, and Cinelli to name a few. They do not make me faster but make a fat guy with his tongue hanging out in the back sucking wheel getting drop look really stupid. Sad, but true, I am never racing again. No time now.

I like to use the krysium I purchased 10 years ago. Or some time ago, they were the first generation. don't know if they fit anything today. I really like them.

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Dude, why don't you just go buy something that fits?

You can still race if you want to, but something like one of the better cannondale/specialized/giant/whatever frames in the upper ranges will be fine. If you're not racing, I don't see why you want something that you can race on.

You can race on any road bike. Just because you're riding something with slightly less aggressive geometry doesn't mean that you'll go slow on it.
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Dude, I am just asking if someone have eny experience with a BMC. I am just having a good time talking to some of the people here, and answering back. If you have nothing constructive to say, please piss on someone else and make yourself feel better. Young punks like you are what makes me want to stay away from internet forums.

I just said I do not want to race and also not want a Giant. You are right, if i am not racing, I can buy a bike at Target. that would be any road bike. Tell me about agressive geom. No, lets not.

If you have had various Porsche for many years, would you be satify with a Buick as your next car? You could do 90 on a buick, the geom. or handeling would be a bit different. Judging from your statement, you may never know what that would be like.

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calm down.
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I think relaxing a bit may help with the whole minor stroke thing too. Just a guess.

On bikes... You're discounting bikes without giving any reasons other than you're "done with them". You're asking about others that get quite a bit of press here in BF (BMC, Cervelo). Based on your palmares, I'm sure you know a lot about bikes. You've gone through the whole index evolution. You started dealing with aero wheels. You saw some of the craziest aero bikes ever made. You saw the rise of aero bars. Hidden brake cables. You went from 5 or 6 speed to 8 or 9 speed. You've had your foot in the pond recently based on your wheel comment. You know you don't want a tall head tube. You know what you're looking for. I don't understand why you're asking about a pro brand in particular.

The quality of any of the bikes is about the same. Yeah, some are finished nicer and all that. If you care about it, great. If not, great. Choose a frame that you like. Make sure it fits.

BMC? Fine bike, if it fits. Cervelo? Fine bike, if it fits.

You understand as much as anyone that a bike that doesn't fit isn't going to work.

I suppose what everyone is trying to say is that the bikes are really similar. Find a frame that fits, or, more accurately, find a pool of frames that fit you and your needs. Select one or more of said frames. Go from there.

Would I buy a BMC frame off the shelf? No frickin way. It doesn't fit. For a long time I tried to make me fit my bike. I finally tried a custom frame and it's a huge improvement.

Regarding the Porsche comment, which seems uncalled for. There are guys who "downgrade" a car and are perfectly happy with their next car. So the guy on my team that owned a monster twin turbo Porsche (I guess he owned two since he recently got rid of his Cayenne Turbo - his big monster car went away a while ago) is also happy driving his kids around in an old Dodge van (or his new land yacht or some other SUV I noticed). Another ex-fast-car-guy (Porsche guy too) is driving around in an Altima. And although I wouldn't count my blue car as being "Porsche" (though the magazines tried hard to write it up like that), it has literally 3 times the horsepower of my red car. Which car is more fun to drive? They're both fun. The blue car is scary fast, rear wheel drive, and gets loose when pressed. The red car is scary slow, front wheel drive, and requires the absolute minimum braking possible, the best lines in turns. I enjoy driving both cars.

Riding bikes is fun. Riding my mountain bike on the road gives me different challenges. Ditto the tandem. Track bike even. And of course my road bike.

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...Now I just want a bike you can race on. I don't care if the pros ride it or not. I don't care if its high end or not. I am done with Colango, DeRosa, and Cinelli to name a few. They do not make me faster but make a fat guy with his tongue hanging out in the back sucking wheel getting drop look really stupid. Sad, but true, I am never racing again.
On that note, if you think that you'll look "stupid" on a Colnago, DeRosa, or Cinelli, you'll look idiotic on a BMC or Cervelo, especially the Cervelo. No hate here. For whatever reason Cervelos have gotten a bad rap as being the bike "wanna-be" racers buy. BMC and Cervelos will not make you faster either, and if you're riding with your tongue out sucking wheel getting dropped no one will think anything of it except you.

Having personally experienced the fat side of things, I should point out that if you are a lot heavier than you used to be, it made be in your best interest to consider those more upright bikes. When I was 190-215 (at 5'7") I was riding a size M Giant. 55.5 top tube, tall head tube, and a nice long stretched out position but with room to breathe. Later, as I lost weight, I went to a size S Giant. Now I've gone a bit further and gotten what is essentially a limo version of a size S Giant (long top tube).

Hope this helps,
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the krysiums will still work. you may need a spacer.
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I was going to avoid saying this, but considering the tirade...


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I am done with Colango, DeRosa, and Cinelli to name a few. They do not make me faster but make a fat guy with his tongue hanging out in the back sucking wheel getting drop look really stupid. Sad, but true
No, the fat guy with his tongue hanging out int he back sucking wheel and getting dropped looks stupid on his own regardless of what bike he is riding, but at least he is out there trying.

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Then you may get more appropriate answers in the road cycling forum.
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the krysiums will still work. you may need a spacer.
Thank you. That's info I am look for.
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