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View Poll Results: I crash this frequently:
Less than once every three years 5 22.73%
Once every three years 2 9.09%
Once every two years 4 18.18%
Once per year 7 31.82%
Twice per year 3 13.64%
Three times per year 0 0%
Greater than three times per year 1 4.55%
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Old 03-24-10, 12:40 AM   #1
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Racing Crash Frequency

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Race 10 or more times per year.
Cat 4 equivalent or higher.
Crash = something that takes off skin as a minimum.

It would be good to answer:
Is crashing more often correlated to racing more often, i.e., a numbers game,
Does frequency decrease as Category decreases,

Yes I left out don't crash at all.
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Old 03-24-10, 02:24 AM   #2
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I don't see why crashing has to take off skin. I'm pretty sure you could have a hard crash without getting skin taken off.
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Old 03-24-10, 05:22 AM   #3
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I had an uphill crash one time that took off no skin, but left we some of the biggest, ugliest bruises I have ever had. A little junior literally fell over in front of me and over the top I went.
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Old 03-24-10, 05:54 AM   #4
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Old 03-24-10, 06:14 AM   #6
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Old 03-24-10, 07:55 AM   #7
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Old 03-24-10, 07:59 AM   #8
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I don't see why crashing has to take off skin. I'm pretty sure you could have a hard crash without getting skin taken off.
Yea... no. The only time I crashed without taking skin off was at relatively low speed and in street cloths - IOWs, not a hard crash and certainly not in a competitive situation. Both knees, both elbows, my left hand, and my right shoulder all bear marks from my various race crashes.
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i was involved in an uphill training ride crash last week actually.

we were climbing a short steep road w no shoulder and there was a moment of unusually high traffic so we were pinned to the edge and there was some inconsistent pacing at the front and the guy behind me swerved into my wheel to avoid a pothole and went down and took a couple of dudes into the ditch with him. no big injuries or broken skin, but it was a tangly mess.
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I didn't crash for the first 5 years I raced. I crashed in training, pushing limits in turns and such. I don't think I was as comfortable in the field as I could have been, but for the last couple years of those 5 years I did skills clinics (touching wheels, bumping, etc).

The next 5 years I crashed frequently. Virtually every crash was similar - I'd be in good position with 3 to 20 turns to go in the race (P123, 123, 2-3, 3, or 3-4 races), maybe 5th-8th, someone would come blazin' up the inside, try and turn, slide out, and take out 3rd-10th. Or, if raining, a guy around me would fall over on a manhole cover and take my wheels out from under me. I did hit one guy that was doing a "Sit N Spin" on the pavement in front of me at 30 mph. I had one "half crash" in a road race - pretty much the whole field crashed at 45 mph on a descent after a guy up front flatted and crashed. I endo'ed into a huge pile of riders, rolled up the stack of riders, rolled back down, got my bike, pulled it off the stack, and kept going.

I crashed 1x in the next 17 years - I loosened up my SPD-R cleats a bit (the original Shimano road clipless, not the Look type) so I wouldn't have to hit my shoe with my fist. I was sprinting out of a turn, back of the field, unclipped, and highsided at about 35 mph. All by myself. I think this was 4 years ago? Maybe 5 years ago. I retightened my pedals and started looking for new pedals (I use Keos now, have unclipped 2x in races but no crashes from unclipping).

Then I crashed 1x after that, last fall. Someone moved across the road just before the sprint, no regard for anyone around him. He took me out as well as half the 15-20 rider field. He was suspended for a bit.

Last year was the first broken bone in my life for me.

For the record - 3 years as a Junior (Cat 4). Been a 3 since two races into my Senior (18-99 yr old) years. This is my 28th year of racing. I do mainly crits. I love setting up for field sprints. Love going really fast in a pack. Love cornering hard in a pack. If I could just do crits all the time for training I would. Um. I'd have to have a course disclaimer - Mainly flat, hopefully with a little rise somewhere. No 39x23 walls on the course.

I hate doing Masters races. Too hard. I'd rather race against the "regular" Cat 3s. I point this out because Masters races are typically safer than 3s.

I also don't feel the need to win. I want to perform to the best of my ability in a given situation. I'll back out of a situation if I don't feel things are right. Heck, last week I backed off in both the 3-4s and P123s.

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My experience has been no correlation to the number of races, have had crash free 50 race seasons. Crashed more in Cat 3 than in 4 (there was no 5), 2 or Masters. Saw fewer crashes on the Track than on the Road. Road Race crashes were more severe than Crit crashes.

Would like to add that i've known a couple of riders who were ****-magnets. They wern't the worst bike handlers, didn't take unnecessary risks, but if there was a pileup they were in it or behind it. Perhaps they had some Karma issues? Unexplainable but it just seemed like they were always in the wrong place at the wrong time.

edit: I think the 80-20 rule would apply well here. 80% of crashes caused by 20% of riders.

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Find some wood. Knock on it.
Yeah, I've been saying it since 2006 when I joined BF. <shrug>

With the damage I'm taking from my yearly/18 month training crash, I think I'd rather crash in a race to see if it can go any better for me.
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i just put in my 3 upgrade. i haven't gone down yet. (knocks on wood)
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i just put in my 3 upgrade. i haven't gone down yet. (knocks on wood)
I didn't "crash" until I was in the 3s

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I "crashed" on Saturday. Quotation marks because it doesn't meet the OP's criteria: No skin lost. Two guys locked up brakes in front of me and went sideways, then down. I did a slow speed endo over one guy. No damage to bike or body but. Only casualty was the possibility of a good placing.
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