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    Scrapper-type sprinters

    Aside from McEwen, who else was a great scrapper-type sprinter (i.e. one who could win a sprint by picking the right wheels, without a leadout train)?
    "When you are chewing the bars at the business end of a 90 mile road race you really dont care what gear you have hanging from your bike so long as it works."
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    didn't ale jet sneak in a few Vs?

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    Jalabert, Abdoujaparov &, Johan Museeuw were good at fighting for themselves.

    Actually Jalabert was a rare freak, in 1995 he won the TDF green Jersey, Vuelta points jeresy (as well as CG & Climbers), Milan- san remo, Fleche Wallonne, Voltal a Catalunya, Criterium Internatioanl as well as Paris- Nice.

    2 years later he was world tt champion

    Legend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by euphoria View Post
    didn't ale jet sneak in a few Vs?
    V's? I always saw ale jet as more of a train/long lead out sprinter in the mold of Cippo.

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    The 33 relevance will become apparent soon.

    I'm trying to find video of these scrappy sprinters to try and pick up some techniques, tricks, or tips. Positioning is obviously key, but there has to be some good (read: safe) way to surf wheels and still come out on top without a leadout train.
    "When you are chewing the bars at the business end of a 90 mile road race you really dont care what gear you have hanging from your bike so long as it works."
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    Quote Originally Posted by bdcheung View Post
    The 33 relevance will become apparent soon.

    I'm trying to find video of these scrappy sprinters to try and pick up some techniques, tricks, or tips. Positioning is obviously key, but
    there has to be some good (read: safe) way to surf wheels and still come out on top without a leadout train.
    you're a cat 4, that's the only way you're going to sprint.

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    indeed. a cat 4 lead out train?

    most of this stuff can't be taught anyway. It's instinctive, influenced by doing it time and time again, and having a few loose screws.

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    Quote Originally Posted by botto View Post
    you're a cat 4, that's the only way you're going to sprint.
    that's why i'm asking
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    Laurent Jalabert, to an extent Filippo Pozzato, Ivan Dominguez, etc.

    Anytime I've found myself setup for a good sprint, was by accident or dumb luck without question.

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    BD - IMO you're way overthinking things, and based on bf posts, i think you're prone to falling into this trap alot.

    team mates in C4 might help if the stars align perfectly and you've practiced, practiced, practiced but usually at the level you're racing, you just get into each others way.

    go into a race with a plan, if it's to sit in and sprint, then do so by expending the least amount of energy you can until it's time to move up. know where you want to hit the front, for instance, at reston, it should be coming out of the last corner ... or at jeff cup, it should be on the R side or center (left gets blocked by a turn in the road), pick a tree or something as your sprint from here point. your skills at moving up and the race will determine when you start to move up. the more technical the sooner you need to get near the front, at something like synfit or carl dolan, wait until the last lap, you'll have plenty of time. then when you hit your "time to move up" mark, do it and get into 4th or 5th wheel, when you hit your "sprint" mark, go.

    otherwise, pick who you think is going to win the race, grab their wheel or a wheel or 2 back if its taken with 2 or 3 laps to go or with 2 or 3 k to go, shadow them until your "sprint" mark and pip 'em at the line.

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    I'm prone to overthinking things.

    Thanks for the reality check, M

    I was looking at sequences from Vint Hill and noticed that my biggest mistake is leaving wheels and getting into the wind way too soon. I started sprinting from about 500-600m out. I remember thinking "I don't want to get caught behind some slow sprinter, nor do I want to get caught in a crash since all of these guys are sprinting with their heads down"

    I realize it's a learning experience and a lot of this will come with time. I'm just anxious to improve as quickly as possible.
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    ^it's more rare that someone goes "too late" as opposed to "too early" and most of the "too late" is related to being on the wrong wheel or having momentum interrupted as opposed to actually waiting too long.

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    Cat 4 leadout train huh?

    I'm not buying it.

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    Nobody has said anything about a Cat4 leadout train except that it doesn't work.
    "When you are chewing the bars at the business end of a 90 mile road race you really dont care what gear you have hanging from your bike so long as it works."
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    One similarity to the Pro's, most of us race against the same dudes over and over, and they have tendencies. A couple races into the season you should have a pretty good idea who's a good wheel in a sprint and who's bad. When you see a gap on a good wheel take it, hesitate or think about it and you are not gonna get it. If you see a better wheel open up take that. If you are on a known bad wheel get off it. Sort of climbing a ladder, step up when you can but never down.

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    I dunno, if you can find a good leadout in a cat4 field, it's a really easy win. Part of developing a strong team is utilizing leadouts; yes, even on a Cat4 or even Cat5 level.
    Cat 2 Track, Cat 3 Road.
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    I am consistently out-foxed in a crowded sprint. Terminally a 2nd or 3rd place sprinter. I'm better at the kilo effort anyway.

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