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Old 04-20-10, 09:23 AM   #226
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I used to play with this drummer in the 90s in NYC



that's him, and Billy Mitchell in the foreground (he was with Basie and Dizzy's big band)

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Old 04-20-10, 10:23 AM   #227
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I have 4 of his albums.

I love the takes of besame mucho and S.O.S.
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Old 04-20-10, 11:27 AM   #228
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Kinda diggin' Help, I'm Alive by Metric
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Old 04-20-10, 06:09 PM   #231
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I just listened to 30 minutes of my 14 year old son doing his piano practice. He has an ungodly amount of musical talent, but not that much physical talent so he will never be a great performer. His older brother is/was in the HS marching band, so I would have to go to the football games. Sometimes when they were playing I would be sitting next to the young one and I would hear him say under his breath "C", "A", "G", etc as he is transcribing what they are playing on the fly with perfect pitch. He would also practice his weekly piano pieces by playing them in every key.

When he first started piano lessons I would "sit in" and listen. One thing that his teacher did was to have the students write down "random" notes to be played at the next lesson. What my younger boy produced was actually interesting. I knew where he quoted the theme, but his teacher didn't.
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What do you mean 'physical talent'?

Are you referring to presence?
The kids 14. Is he good at solo piano stuff/jazz stuff? See if he can play keyboard or piano at fancy restaurants or bars. It'll help him develop that presence. You'd be surprised how far that can take him. The fact that he might actually make some money doing that, will make it even better for him.

Seriously, see if you can give that a go if he's interested. It'll help him.

Damn, I wish I was good at an instrument. I should have atleast continued to sing at college in some context. I really miss it.
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What do you mean 'physical talent'?
Fine motor skills.
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I don't believe in talent.
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I don't believe in talent.
That's because you have it. The rest of us, no matter how hard we work, will never get there.
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I started very young and practiced many many hours a day for many years.
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I started very young and practiced many many hours a day for many years.
I'm not saying that hard work was not required. Hard work is most definitely required!
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Mollusk, confidence has a lot to do with it.

Give him the boost and he'll rise. If not, he'll be a badass composer!
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yeah but I really sucked when I started.
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it's what gives me hope that someday I might be an OK bike racer, since I suck at that but know all about hard work.
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yeah but I really sucked when I started.
I just need to play more. I'm looking forward to it. My issue is that I was never very serious about it. I just liked the noise. I never got into music theory, and I really regret not struggling through it now.

You can teach someone how to play an instrument, but creativity and perfect pitch are much more difficult to learn. Seems like Mollusk's kid has the hard parts down, and just has to tough it through the repetitious stuff.
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Mollusk, confidence has a lot to do with it.

Give him the boost and he'll rise. If not, he'll be a badass composer!
It may sound really stupid, but he could be really good at composing music for video games.
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yeah but I really sucked when I started.
Everybody does.
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hence, my talent comment.
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hence, my talent comment.
But there was something latent there that could come out with the hard work and dedication. The rest of us could never get there. I'm not trying to take anything away from what you have accomplished. I know that it takes both talent and hard work.

It is a lot like bike racing. No matter how hard I trained I could never ever have been Eddy Merckx. Or Axl. More like Fred Mertz for me.
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yeah but music isn't sports.

I could see some degree of physical suitability (such as small fingers for violinists, long fingers for pianists) but you don't need special aerobic abilities or the perfect blend of type 1 and 2b fibers. you just need to take out the trash in your head and learn to be an efficient thinker, apply that to your practice.
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yeah but music isn't sports.

I could see some degree of physical suitability (such as small fingers for violinists, long fingers for pianists) but you don't need special aerobic abilities or the perfect blend of type 1 and 2b fibers. you just need to take out the trash in your head and learn to be an efficient thinker, apply that to your practice.
I think it is actually the same. Muscle fibers vs. neuron connections. You can train both, but there will be limitations.
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I got a check minus in Recorder in 1st grade.
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I got a check minus in Recorder in 1st grade.
When does it end?

(As I sit here laughing out loud, yet again!)
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Malcolm agrees with Grumpy.

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