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    LA Circuit Race = Fail.

    What a waste of $30. This race seemed a perfect example of what happens when the main source of motivation for race organizers is $$$ and not throwing a kick-ass race. I'm hoping the other Categories went better, b/c the 4's was just ridiculous. After an hour of racing, I wasn't even tired (after doing Redlands in the am), and the "sprint" finish was so packed there wasn't the option of choosing a line. Am I missing something here?
    Average power over 56 minutes was 216. Compare that to 295 at Redlands...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pt_Lumberjack View Post
    Am I missing something here?
    It's the racers who determine the pace, not the organizer.

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    1. too many 4s being told to sit in and wait for the sprint
    2. you did the same?

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    How were the junior races?
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    +1 It's the racers not the race. That course with the turnarounds is always a mess though. How was the wind?

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    If your unhappy that a race was too easy then fix it. Push for a break and mix it up. If you are the kind of racer who feels they need a workout before the sprint but planned on sitting in till the end then it's your problem.

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    I was sitting up cracking jokes and swearing in Spanish during that race, definitely slow. You know when I'm heading out to make little attacks the race is a bit too easy. I saw you fly by me in the final sprint Ryan, looks like you got shafted when that rider swept across the field and almost caused that crash.

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    I'll agree it's the racers that need to set the pace, but a well chosen course will encourage a fast race. With a 180 degree turn at each end of a ~3.5 mile nearly flat course with tons of wind, what can one eager Cat 4 do? At least other races often have sweet primes to encourage people to hustle. The first prime of this race was literally a bag of nuts.
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    That prime was pretty hilarious.

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    I got sick of sitting in that pack that couldnt ride a straight line in the combo of 10 mph race speeds and headwind, and attacked 4 of the 6 laps opening up a gap and forcing the riders to close it just to pick up the pace. at the most we got 3 going for 'breakaways' that stopped just after winning the primes. by lap 5 of 6 i decided i needed to just sit in before i got dropped. But yeah i'm disappointed the course didn't drop anybody. granted its not the course suited for that, people kept going to the front of the pack and stopped pedaling which got really annoying. for the sprint finish, there were 3 near incidents and the two guys in front of me literally came to a stop after burning some good amount of rubber.

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    "I've been on party rides faster than this..." - True story.

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    I honestly think that at times people forgot that it was a race on a closed course and started slowing when they saw red traffic lights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pt_Lumberjack View Post
    I honestly think that at times people forgot that it was a race on a closed course and started slowing when they saw red traffic lights.
    I told someone that this happens at this race before the race, he laughed....

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    Hahaha, I don't remember that happening when I did it.

    The course is what it is. It's a known quantity, it's not like they changed it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ijunes View Post
    people kept going to the front of the pack and stopped pedaling which got really annoying.
    Riding into a headwind, people not at the front don't understand why it's going so slow. It's easy to move up to the front because you are sheltered. When you get there, you realize you don't want to be there and you stop. It's stupid, but it's the racers that are stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MtnRide View Post
    1. too many 4s being told to sit in and wait for the sprint
    2. you did the same?
    Yep. The huge headwind on the back straight makes everyone sit up and duck for shelter, and the tailwind on the front means low wattage even at 40 mph.


    Quote Originally Posted by Pt_Lumberjack View Post
    I'll agree it's the racers that need to set the pace, but a well chosen course will encourage a fast race.
    That's what I never understood about So Cal. Some of the biggest races are on the crappiest courses. LAX, Manhattan Beach, Lake Los Angeles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pt_Lumberjack View Post
    After an hour of racing, I wasn't even tired...
    Absolutely classic.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pt_Lumberjack View Post
    Am I missing something here?
    Yes, if you're still fresh at the end of a race that you didn't win, then you have no right to complain about how slow it was.

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    The one time I did he race in 07 it was A) hard, several teams includind mine attacked throughout the race and B) was well run. The epic fail seems to be in you and your groups inability to make the race challenging.

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    This thread reminds me of the guy who sits at the back of the pack and yells at the group to chase the break. You know, the guy who yells "They're getting away!" and "Come on guys! Chase!" while never taking a pull.

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    at least you were on a closed course.

    the race I did on saturday had a large field on a narrow road with no shoulder and a very strict yellow line rule.

    I lined up in the last row, spent the entire race tailgunning or making futile attempts to move up to about halfway into the pack.

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    op - you have alot to learn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Diablo Rojo View Post
    The one time I did he race in 07 it was A) hard, several teams includind mine attacked throughout the race and B) was well run. The epic fail seems to be in you and your groups inability to make the race challenging.
    I did it in 08; I thought we did it the same year?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MDcatV View Post
    op - you have alot to learn.
    Yes, I do.

    After a nights sleep and some time to reflect (and tough love from the forum), I realize there was a lot I could have done to make things more interesting (or at least make the race a workout). But I still maintain it was a boring course, and I have little interest in doing it next year...
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    I maintain that you should have gone Swiss on their asses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pt_Lumberjack View Post
    Yes, I do.

    After a nights sleep and some time to reflect (and tough love from the forum), I realize there was a lot I could have done to make things more interesting (or at least make the race a workout). But I still maintain it was a boring course, and I have little interest in doing it next year...
    fair enough, but that's not the promoters fault. racers make the race. always.

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