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Old 03-28-10, 07:28 PM   #1
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Jefferson Cup

Anyone do the 1/2/3 race Sunday? Geesh what the hell happened? I know I am way behind and out of shape this year but I swear that was the fastest Jeff Cup I've ever been in. And right from the start I knew the field was all riled up and ready to fight. What the hell was up with almost 3 crashes on the 1 mile neutral roll out??? Then, I know the roads were not so great but for crisake the bumps were not that bad and people were swerving around minor pot holes and I must have seen ten water bottles go bouncing through the field. After 4 laps when the freezing cold rain started really coming down and my two teammates were already out I said F this I'm going home.

Congrads to any one who finished that race it was miserable and you're a better man then I am for sticking it out.

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I dropped my chain 500 meters from our rolling start(idiot) Looked like a real noob as the guys and caravan rolled up the hill. Big bummer cause I felt the rolling hills suited my riding style. Long way to ride 20 miles. Got pulled with one lap to go. Cold and wet.

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I dropped my chain 500 meters from our rolling start(idiot) Looked like a real noob as the guys and caravan rolled up the hill. Big bummer cause I felt the rolling hills suited my riding style. Long way to ride 20 miles. Got pulled with one lap to go. Cold and wet.

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Didn't you lose your rear derailleur last week at Vint Hill? Also, I'm thinking that I talked to you in the parking lot after the race about the organizers pulling riders too early.
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That was me with 2 mechanicals in 2 weeks. I am curious about that decision to pull us. Had a good long think on it on the way home, and if your the guy in the parking lot you mentioned we were just 1 minute behind our group. If that was true, and we had not been neutralized or allowed to go in front of the cat 5 35+ to continue the chase, why would they not allow a continuance with one more "big" hill climb? My impression was that small climb was doing some damage so why not give us a shot to catch the pack? I was working in a small group of 4 that might have come close if the wheel van was truly in site? In retrospect I feel that final play from the cycle official to the guy at the line might have been a little to quick triggered

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I dropped my chain 500 meters from our rolling start(idiot) Looked like a real noob as the guys and caravan rolled up the hill. Big bummer cause I felt the rolling hills suited my riding style. Long way to ride 20 miles. Got pulled with one lap to go. Cold and wet.

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Well don't be hard on yourself. I had mechanical issues too before the start and ironed them out just in time. Rolling hills will never suite my style, I'm 6'3" 200LBS and I'd prefer a straight up 7 mile climb over rolling terrain The last couple of years doing this race I sought out Super Dave's wheel and stick to it like glue, I know he won't let hisself get dropped and he's an awesome steady wheel to follow. I just couldn't do it this year, too hard.
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That was me with 2 mechanicals in 2 weeks. I am curious about that decision to pull us. Had a good long think on it on the way home, and if your the guy in the parking lot you mentioned we were just 1 minute behind our group. If that was true, and we had not been neutralized or allowed to go in front of the cat 5 35+ to continue the chase, why would they not allow a continuance with one more "big" hill climb? My impression was that small climb was doing some damage so why not give us a shot to catch the pack? I was working in a small group of 4 that might have come close if the wheel van was truly in site? In retrospect I feel that final play from the cycle official to the guy at the line might have been a little to quick triggered

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I agree. Even if we didn't catch the front group again, we probably could have picked off some guys that got dropped on the first hill. The 35+ cat 5's never would have caught us, so I don't see the problem in letting us finish the final lap. In addition to that one guy, there were another 2 or 3 people saying that we were only one or, at most, two minutes behind the front group. Oh well.
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Yep, I was in that race - it was my first 1/2/3 RR and I was pretty darn happy to just finish. I was among the stragglers behind the sprinters, had great positioning with 1k left, but absolutely no pop left. Finished at the back of the main bunch.

The not-so-neutral start was pretty bad, but it wasn't any of the riders' fault. We all know it's an opportunity to gain positioning, so that happens. The real problem is that we were "neutral" at 27 mph and the lead cars stopped in the middle of Route 20 a bunch of times. NOT COOL. C'est la vie. Aside from the usual little bumps, the rest of the race was pretty safe considering the worsening conditions.

I thought the first two laps were pretty quick, but then the pace toned down with all of the rain and standing water, especially through the turns, and cresting/descending the big hill after turn 1.

And one of the bottles on the sharp right-hand 180 (about 1k before the final turn) was mine. Sorry... I'm guilty. In two years, I'd never had that happen with Specialized Rib cages. They hold bottles real tight but I hit a dip in the pavement (not really a pot hole) banking through that turn. Whoops. I know I wasn't the only one though.

Any idea how many folks finished? Tons of people were so cold they just said "hell with this!" and dropped out.

Joe D. is an animal at 19. One of his prizes for winning was a magnum bottle of champagne from a local winery. Ha.
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Results are posted: https://www.usacycling.org/results/?permit=2010-447 looks like 57 finished. Yeah I was definitely one of the ones who bagged it. Mentally and physically I couldn't handle the pace and the cold rain any more. I gave up. I think actually it's the first race I've ever really given up in while still trying. I was hoping that teams would get their guys in a break and the field would settle down but it never did.

I think it's time that Joe D cats up
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i was there. i started cold and found the pace at the beginning to be stiff. it took me about 2 laps to open up then i made my way to the front and was feeling pretty good, trying to slip onto the back of anything with the right mix and/or keep things in check for my guy who is going well and belongs in the break.

team mate got to what seemed a promising move on his own about lap 4, then the rain started. i went from feeling ok and a little warm to wet and hypothermic over the next 3 laps to the point that i couldnt shift, brake, or feel my feet. then i started shivering so hard i thought my headset/handlebars came loose. i turned around on the "hill" and rode back. it was about as uncomfortable as i've been in a long time. still cold today and i have frostbite on my fingertips and ends of my toes!

rudesiggy, good on you for finishing. that sucked. big time.
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That was me with 2 mechanicals in 2 weeks. I am curious about that decision to pull us. Had a good long think on it on the way home, and if your the guy in the parking lot you mentioned we were just 1 minute behind our group. If that was true, and we had not been neutralized or allowed to go in front of the cat 5 35+ to continue the chase, why would they not allow a continuance with one more "big" hill climb? My impression was that small climb was doing some damage so why not give us a shot to catch the pack? I was working in a small group of 4 that might have come close if the wheel van was truly in site? In retrospect I feel that final play from the cycle official to the guy at the line might have been a little to quick triggered

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I was with you in that group of 4. Totally bogus they pulled us. Don't think we would have caught the main pack, but we would have passed anyone who dropped off that pack for sure.
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i was in the 4s. i felt really good. flat on the last lap. oh well.
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oh yeah, i dont know what the eff was up with the neutral rollout. i was locked up 3x and thinking my season was going to end before i got to the s/f of my seasons 1st race!
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i was in the 4s. i felt really good. flat on the last lap. oh well.
Guy during the neutral start flatted also, not sure if he got back in the group.
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The 4's race was really slow. Especially the finish.
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Thanks MD. The neutral rollout really just unnerved everyone I think. Made the first few laps pretty nerve-wreaking and quick.



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The 4's race was really slow. Especially the finish.
That's when you're supposed to make it fast and painful.

Edit: I should add that there were crashes in the final 1k of various races yesterday (men's cat 4, women's 1/2/3, one of the master's races). When it's a straight stretch like that, I'll always believe that it's safer to speed it way up than deal with 40 guys thinking they can win.

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That's when you're supposed to make it fast and painful.
I was all set to before I hit a pothole on the last descent that put my saddle up near my diaphragm.

By the time I recovered from that impact, I was at the back with 1k to go.

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I was in the 4s, then on Carter's Mountain Rd as a marshall, then in the 45+ wheel van.

I liked the 4 race, because I didn't get dropped until lap 3. I managed to get back on after a big chase too, which was a lot of fun. But then I was worn out and got tipped off the back again. Still, it was the best Jeff Cup I've had in a couple of years!

The afternoon races were miserable. But I do think that a lot of riders made terrible clothing choices. I saw a Battley guy in shorts and a short sleeve jersey. What was he thinking?

As far as the pulled riders go, the organisers were pulling riders who were 10 minutes behind the pack. It sounds like they just called you too early, but they may have been worried about the 35+ pack behind you.
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Survived my first non-collegiate 1/2/3 race. Lap 1 was as expected. Lap 2 was fast with a lot of attacks. I'd move up then get spit to the back on the harder climbs. Stayed in the pack, but not really contributing. By lap 3, it was raining pretty hard so everyone seemed to stop racing. Fine by me. Recovery time. In the final 1km, everyone decided they could be a sprinter, and the pace slowed to a pedestrian crawl. Trains of riders started moving up on one side then the other but would hit a wall of slow on the front. Lots of bumping and hitting the brakes. Saw the woman next to me narrowly avoid having someone's derailleur in her front wheel. As I started losing position when the train I'd been following began going backwards, I saw a bike on the far side of the road fly in the air. The ripple of bikes and bodies was coming towards me so I hit the brakes, the grass route to my outside being taken. I stayed upright and out of the mayhem, but my race effectively ended there. Too bad; I still had a match left.
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The afternoon races were miserable. But I do think that a lot of riders made terrible clothing choices. I saw a Battley guy in shorts and a short sleeve jersey. What was he thinking?
he finished. everytime i looked at him i got colder than i already was. funny thing is, i bet he was better off than me, all my clothes were saturated and it was like sitting in a tub of 40 deg F water

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Survived my first non-collegiate 1/2/3 race. Lap 1 was as expected. Lap 2 was fast with a lot of attacks. I'd move up then get spit to the back on the harder climbs. Stayed in the pack, but not really contributing. By lap 3, it was raining pretty hard so everyone seemed to stop racing. Fine by me. Recovery time. In the final 1km, everyone decided they could be a sprinter, and the pace slowed to a pedestrian crawl. Trains of riders started moving up on one side then the other but would hit a wall of slow on the front. Lots of bumping and hitting the brakes. Saw the woman next to me narrowly avoid having someone's derailleur in her front wheel. As I started losing position when the train I'd been following began going backwards, I saw a bike on the far side of the road fly in the air. The ripple of bikes and bodies was coming towards me so I hit the brakes, the grass route to my outside being taken. I stayed upright and out of the mayhem, but my race effectively ended there. Too bad; I still had a match left.
i'd take upright and in the grass w a match left than on the floor 100x/100. good decision.
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Guy during the neutral start flatted also, not sure if he got back in the group.
i think i heard that haha.

i was first row behind the moto. it was amazing to hear the accordion effect just from going from <50 watts to coasting haha. i could here the curses getting louder as they went further back. i wouldn't be laughing if i weren't at the front.
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I am not at all upset about staying upright. That match came in handy as I raced back to my car after standing around in the wet waiting for the emergency personnel to deal with the crash site.

We also stopped several times on the way to the s/f line. More than 1 cat 4 in front of us flatted or had some other problem...I think there were at least 3 that we had to pass or stop for. Scariest neutral start ever.
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Didn't you lose your rear derailleur last week at Vint Hill? Also, I'm thinking that I talked to you in the parking lot after the race about the organizers pulling riders too early.
I heard about that out at Vint Hill. How did you lose an RD mid-race?
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