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    Hr above lthr during entire race normal?

    I completed my first 30min crit last weekend. After looking at the info from my Garmin I noticed that my HR was above my LTHR the entire race. Is this normal? I did not have the benefit of drafting since I missed the lead group and the rest of the feild was strung out where I was mostly up front. My training is not structured but ride between 80-150miles a week including 2, 2+ hour "A" training rides. I followed the Time Crunched program 3 weeks prior to the race. How can I keep my HR up the high for 30 but struggle with 3(3x2) threshold workouts?
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    Motivation does wonders to how hard you can push yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bmxsykes View Post
    I completed my first 30min crit last weekend. After looking at the info from my Garmin I noticed that my HR was above my LTHR the entire race. Is this normal? I did not have the benefit of drafting since I missed the lead group and the rest of the feild was strung out where I was mostly up front. My training is not structured but ride between 80-150miles a week including 2, 2+ hour "A" training rides. I followed the Time Crunched program 3 weeks prior to the race. How can I keep my HR up the high for 30 but struggle with 3(3x2) threshold workouts?
    yes.

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    for a sub 1 hour effort its to be expected.

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    without power, it would be hard to tell if you were at/below/above your FTP... then you might be able to tell why your HR was so high...
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    So, do I need to do more work above threshold or at threshold to become more efficient?
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    yes, very normal
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    Quote Originally Posted by badhat View Post
    for a sub 1 hour effort its to be expected.
    should clarify, not to be expected necessarily, but not surprising, especially for a more or less steady state effort. while imprecise, in theory your LTHR roughly corelates to FTP, which is your max 1-hour power.

    so if you are doing a sub 1 hour maximal effort, you should be able to stay just above it. it'll hurt, obv.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fordfasterr View Post
    without power, it would be hard to tell if you were at/below/above your FTP... then you might be able to tell why your HR was so high...
    Power, hopefully for Christmas. I would say RPE around 8-9. I didn't feel like I had the "stuff" I normally do, but then again I'm not redlining it the whole time either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ston_ar View Post
    Motivation does wonders to how hard you can push yourself.
    so do nerves when using HR as a metric

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    it really is hard to read this forum without power sometimes. i'm in the same boat, training w HR.

    if i enjoy racing this year, i'll probably try to budget for power next year, but in the meantime, its been challenging to try to adapt all the power based intervals talked around here using HR and RPE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by badhat View Post
    it really is hard to read this forum without power sometimes. i'm in the same boat, training w HR.

    if i enjoy racing this year, i'll probably try to budget for power next year, but in the meantime, its been challenging to try to adapt all the power based intervals talked around here using HR and RPE.

    I did that all of last year.... without power.... I could say that I improved but only by luck and consistency.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fordfasterr View Post
    I did that all of last year.... without power.... I could say that I improved but only by luck and consistency.
    don't forget that climbing 'weapon.'

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    i'm nothing if not consistent and motivated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by badhat View Post
    i'm nothing if not consistent and motivated.
    it's doing the work that matters, not how you measure it. the watt meter makes it no brainer to measure intensity during an effort, and the data has applications to track changes in fitness to paralysis through analysis proportions, but the plain and simple truth is that doing the work matters most.

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    When I'm training with the local fast guys I try not to look down at the HR. First, it scares/confuses me why it's so high, and second, I can't break focus for a blink trying to hang on the back with them.

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    ha

    i actually programmed my garmin A screen not to show mph for the same reason... it just has HR, HR zone, cadence, time of day, and saddle time.

    i havent looked at my speed while on the bike since last year.

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    Ya, if I look down and see 30+ MPH I think subconsciously my brain tells my legs "You can't ride this fast!".

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    I haven't ridden with a computer since last august.
    On another note...

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    omg where did that come from lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmxsykes View Post
    I completed my first 30min crit last weekend. After looking at the info from my Garmin I noticed that my HR was above my LTHR the entire race. Is this normal? I did not have the benefit of drafting since I missed the lead group and the rest of the feild was strung out where I was mostly up front. My training is not structured but ride between 80-150miles a week including 2, 2+ hour "A" training rides. I followed the Time Crunched program 3 weeks prior to the race. How can I keep my HR up the high for 30 but struggle with 3(3x2) threshold workouts?
    you know, as you train and get fitter, you LTHR increases as your body can handle more aerobic work. otherwise there'd be no point in doing painful intervals. also, as others have mentioned, LTHR is what you can hold for 1 hr, you should be able to go above that for 30min.

    Quote Originally Posted by pkpsu View Post
    I haven't ridden with a computer since last august.
    On another note...
    hmm, did you meant to say "duraace600 says dial it up to 400w?"

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    My RHR is 60. At the line of my last (practice) crit, my HR was at 120. It be what it be...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcjimbosandwich View Post
    you know, as you train and get fitter, you LTHR increases as your body can handle more aerobic work. otherwise there'd be no point in doing painful intervals.



    hmm, did you meant to say "duraace600 says dial it up to 400w?"
    no. lthr does not go up as you become more fit. power at lthr does. lthr often goes down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tspek View Post
    My RHR is 60. At the line of my last (practice) crit, my HR was at 120. It be what it be...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MDcatV View Post
    lthr often goes down.
    interesting

    i did not realize this.

    i knew that it didnt necessarily go up, and isnt a metric you need to worry about improving (though if youre HR training w/out power, you do need to track it), but i had not heard that it can go down with training.

    whats the physiology behind that?

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