yeah I know this thread is a good one. That was the first point that I made.
The only thing I have against it is that (perhaps only due to the title) it reinforces the "41 vs 33" myth.
if I were the boss...
I frequent both forums. The 41 is for self-entertainment mostly these days, and to occasionally exercise my need to *****-slap the morans. But here, it's read-only out of respect.
IMO, there was more than one over there egging on the useless idiot: several that would be no surprise, and perhaps one that would. It appears to me that some of the cross-forum conflicts are old beefs carried over, and some are just self-indulgent versions of "lets you and him fight".
Regardless, I think the mods have done the right thing by reacting quickly. Back to lurking...
This thread should be renamed. Something along the lines of "The Non-Racer Questions Thread"
It goes both ways guys. It isn't like the complainers don't have a point. There is simply no need for any of it. Don't like something click out of it. If it's over a line then report it. But the ceaseless back and forth simply harshes on everyone's enjoyment of the forum.
I race my bike, and post somewhat frequently in the 33. Because thats where my interest lies...
This issue has been building for a while...no surprise. Lets not pretend there isnt particular 33ers who like to argue, and/or brow-beat people in the 41 who may be less experienced or knowledgeable...I brought this up a few weeks back in the twitter thread, we all know how "varied" the discussions can be over there, but its come to be commonplace to come back to this side and complain about it. Pretty stupid really.
Problem solved. If this thread remains as civil and informative as it has been then it will be a great option for those who have legitimate questions and are interested in different opinions without the thread devolving into nonsense, this is something the 41 lacks which is why I rarely ask anything there.
Then I realized, it's not just about the relationship to the pedal / BB. The hips and the entire power deliver chain are interconnected, so for example if I'm out of whack in my psoas, that affects my hammy tightness.
I need to get back into yoga classes.
Also, I'm a fan of the now discontinued E3 saddle. Anybody have any laying around they don't need?
I'm sorry if Tom's sticky was not clear. Apparently some of you are so busy doing your thing - staying above the fray - that you didn't notice (or got accustomed to) all of the sniping and pot shots that have been going on all summer between the 41 and the 33. Well that's a good thing . . . staying above the fray, that is. The sniping is not.
For examples, if you wish not to look in the 41 then just look in the 33's Twitter thread. Virtually every day one or more individuals has to speak up about how "stupid" the 41 is. Routinely. Every day. And it breeds resentment and anger and feuds . . . and it has to stop. In BOTH directions.
It doesn't matter who started it. It's gotten out of hand after simmering all summer and it has to stop. It's a bad image for the forums in general, it's harassing, it's trolling, and it's high maintenance. Enough with all this. It's unnecessary. If you just cannot ignore a "stupid" post without speaking out on it then you may find yourself in trouble. Infractions will be issued for violations. You can THINK derisively about anyone and anything you want, but the verbal bashing of other people and other groups will no longer be tolerated.
Sorry I had to be the heavy, just trying to answer some questions.
This thread, per se, is not the problem, although a name change wouldn't hurt. There's no need to close it.
I thought the fire was out in the Addiction thread. Hopefully, I'm right. That thread in and of itself is fine. The silliness with one young poster is over, though nothing stays truly over.
A name change might be a fine idea. I know some of you have already brought it up and seconded it, so to speak. If the idea hs legs post here or PM me. Changing the title is a small matter.
Why the hell are we talking about some stupid number feud? The more posts we have about it here the more this thread will become a magnet for the very thing it has avoided thus far!
Let's drop it and return to our regular scheduled programming.
Toupe saddles - life expectancy?
I have one I've used for almost 2 years now. I can no longer get comfortable, is the saddle just worn out, or do I need new chammy / fit?
I always get a headache after a long ride. Why is this?
edited to add: saw your follow-up, how long was your ride? even though it's been "cooler" in the mornings, the humidity has been so fecking high (at least here a whopping 70 miles west of you) that I'm going through ~2 bottles in 90 minutes right now.