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It's tough to say. For example if you're just extending your arms out a bit more, then no, not really. If your torso moves relative to the front wheel then yes. Generally speaking, on the frame, usually not, since a longer/lower stem really means you're just reaching more (assuming you fit properly before doing the longer/lower stem). With a smaller frame with a shorter top tube the front wheel is closer to the BB so given the same saddle setback the front wheel is tucked under your body more.
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It's tough to say. For example if you're just extending your arms out a bit more, then no, not really. If your torso moves relative to the front wheel then yes. Generally speaking, on the frame, usually not, since a longer/lower stem really means you're just reaching more (assuming you fit properly before doing the longer/lower stem). With a smaller frame with a shorter top tube the front wheel is closer to the BB so given the same saddle setback the front wheel is tucked under your body more.
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Jens Voigt is sort of like that (but not as far forward under duress), of the current pros. Not sure who else, but I noticed he's pretty far forward. He has substantially less set back than Boonen, for example, even though they're similar in height.
Voigt: saddle height 845mm, set back 85mm.
Boonen: saddle height 815mm, set back 115mm.
When I experimented with frame size (prior to ordering a custom frame) i sat on a trainer and used plastic storage totes as hand rests. This way I could move my hands independent of any "normal" constraints (stem or bar sizes). I used books and such to fine tune the tote height, and I just slide my hands more forward or backward on the tote. Then when something seemed good I noted where I was, measured what the various dimensions would be if it were a bike. I based it on a 12 cm stem with my current stem as I found that puts enough weight on the front wheel but not too much weight. I've run as long as a 14.5 cm stem with the same bars and that was too much weight. Any shorter and it feels too light (like a 10 cm stem on a longer frame).
As a sanity check I plugged my findings into an LBS's fit bike and sat on the bike and tried it. It was longer than I planned (by 2 cm due to a 14 cm stem - I should have brought my own 12 cm stem) but it seemed good. It's basically the fit I've been riding (I had a second frame, same size, built for me), albeit adjusted for a new bar that has less reach and drop. I got a custom stem to place the drops correctly, now they're in the same spot as before. I haven't converted the other bike to the new bars because I haven't ordered a second stem yet.
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Jens Voigt is sort of like that (but not as far forward under duress), of the current pros. Not sure who else, but I noticed he's pretty far forward. He has substantially less set back than Boonen, for example, even though they're similar in height.
Voigt: saddle height 845mm, set back 85mm.
Boonen: saddle height 815mm, set back 115mm.
Jens Voigt is sort of like that (but not as far forward under duress), of the current pros. Not sure who else, but I noticed he's pretty far forward. He has substantially less set back than Boonen, for example, even though they're similar in height.
Voigt: saddle height 845mm, set back 85mm.
Boonen: saddle height 815mm, set back 115mm.
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Checkout Adam Hansen. And this video.
I like the video - he explains that with the longer cranks he needs the saddle more forward, although he does move it forward more than the 5 mm or so that the cranks probably grew. I have short legs and I've used 175s since 2003 (and have tried very hard to use 170s without success in 2008 and then again in 2011). The longer cranks exaggerates the forward seat position since my cranks are longer than people expect, by 5-10 mm.
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ooh. Imma get me one of those -30 130mm deda pista stems!
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I am SO doing that.
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I am SO doing that.
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seems like i've got a tricky one here--i grabbed the scicon élan and the arundel uno (i have one of the duos and love it) to test. i was optimistic but neither one works on my TT bike. i thought i might be able to orient them more vertically than horizontally, or perhaps to fit them under the saddle but above the rails; no go. i'm open to other thoughts.
both are nice bags.
here's a picture of what i'm trying to fit it on:
it was tricky for me to fit in a tube w/ 80mm valve due to the length of the valve, and to also get in a small multi-tool, in addition to what you listed. it worked, but long-term i'm not sure i trust the zipper with that. the arundel uno seemed no more roomy but a little more beefy at the seam for the zipper.
they make great stuff. have some mandible cages, a duo, and a couple side loader cages (awesome for MTBs with tight clearance in the front triangle). none are cheap and deals are few, but they are built to last.
both are nice bags.
here's a picture of what i'm trying to fit it on:
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it was tricky for me to fit in a tube w/ 80mm valve due to the length of the valve, and to also get in a small multi-tool, in addition to what you listed. it worked, but long-term i'm not sure i trust the zipper with that. the arundel uno seemed no more roomy but a little more beefy at the seam for the zipper.
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i would if i could! i'm not above it, but my TT bike has a steerer/stem that are inline with the top tube.
i'm thinking maybe i could clip the saddle bag to the underside of the extensions. hm.
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get one of these, there- fixed it for ya'
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Especially if you already have a decent bike. I went through the same thing last week. Saw a cool bike on ebay, put in a low bid and won. I didn't realize it was a shop on the other side of town sell, so got lucky by being able to drive over and pick it up. Pretty bittersweet otherwise. I have a bike I really like and now I have this new one, too (which is a really nice bike). I really have no need for 2 and needed to get another of pedals, saddle, etc.
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I think my natural tendency to procrastinate will work in my favor, here, but it's the right size bike, with the right group, for what I've been looking for. I'm going to let it expire and hope they repost with a lower opening bid.
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Good idea. Seems a bit high to me.
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that video from specialized aero guys re shaved legs... real or late april fools?
If real, do you dudes shave your arms? I mean, I lost a 10mi tt by 1 second earlier this year. If you're telling me arms is 3-4-5+ seconds over that distance, I'm not above it. Not to mention I can use the same "it's for crashing" line.
If real, do you dudes shave your arms? I mean, I lost a 10mi tt by 1 second earlier this year. If you're telling me arms is 3-4-5+ seconds over that distance, I'm not above it. Not to mention I can use the same "it's for crashing" line.
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Don't buy it!!
Especially if you already have a decent bike. I went through the same thing last week. Saw a cool bike on ebay, put in a low bid and won. I didn't realize it was a shop on the other side of town sell, so got lucky by being able to drive over and pick it up. Pretty bittersweet otherwise. I have a bike I really like and now I have this new one, too (which is a really nice bike). I really have no need for 2 and needed to get another of pedals, saddle, etc.
Especially if you already have a decent bike. I went through the same thing last week. Saw a cool bike on ebay, put in a low bid and won. I didn't realize it was a shop on the other side of town sell, so got lucky by being able to drive over and pick it up. Pretty bittersweet otherwise. I have a bike I really like and now I have this new one, too (which is a really nice bike). I really have no need for 2 and needed to get another of pedals, saddle, etc.
everyone should have 2 bikes for when the first is out of order! what did you buy, and what size?
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Yeah I'm shopping for di2, I effed up my wrist in a crash in May and I can barely upshift. I would just pick up a new drive train for my current frame, but I would have to drill the frame or stick the wires on the outside which just seems ugly.
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I suppose when all things are going well, a second bike isn't necessary, but they're quite handy when things don't go so well.
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when I took my Ridley to the shop to ask about the cracked dropout, I wasn't expecting that they would need to keep it, and I had to build my Gazelle back up that night.
when I took my Ridley to the shop to ask about the cracked dropout, I wasn't expecting that they would need to keep it, and I had to build my Gazelle back up that night.
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^^You kept that steel bike 'cause you knew the carbon one was gonna 'splode.
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