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    Resources for Cycling Tactics

    Any really good ones that you know of?

    I have Prehn's book and the Wenzels' book already. Looking for online resources.

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    CDRs Youtube page

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    I haven't seen anything significant online other than Fred Matheny's page/s. Him and his co-authors at any rate; I don't know who started it up, but Fred wrote a book about bike racing that I think has a lot of good things in it. I know it's outdated but the philosophies are excellent for real world racers. Things like you have to take into consideration work and family when thinking of whether you're "resting" or not, and that equipment that works is all you need.

    Beginning Bicycle Racing, Fred Matheny

    He now has a site that has a lot of advice. I haven't gone further than the entry page (linked to it) but it should be pretty good. You have to pay for access. Some of the eBooks seem a bit unrealistic to me. $10 for how to travel with a bike? That kind of turned me off. Granted, it may have been written a long time ago, but still, it seems a bit much for something that you could, say, search in BF or in people's blogs (ahem).

    A site that happens to show up if you Google my name and sprinting is here. They offer some basic info.

    Most resources offer technical advice. How to sprint. How to attack. Almost none offer tactical advice. When to sprint. When to attack.

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    I have "Road Race Tactics for Amateur Cycling Teams' by Harrison, from Roadbikerider.com, and "Strategy & Tactics for Cyclists" by Arnie Baker, also from Roadbikerider.com. Both are good, I endorse them, and they are a bit different so it's not a waste to get both.

    Also there's the Australian blog "http://www.cyclingtipsblog.com/" that has some good stuff hidden here and there.
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    So basically, scant few?

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    There is a book called 'Roadie: the misunderstood something or other'. While not geared toward tactics, it has a tidbit or two. Have you heard of it? .

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    Quote Originally Posted by EventServices View Post
    So basically, scant few?
    ... if you read Flemish and French and are handy with Google you could probably find a few more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Creakyknees View Post
    ... if you read Flemish and French and are handy with Google you could probably find a few more.
    you can't read flemish, but you can read dutch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmh View Post
    There is a book called 'Roadie: the misunderstood something or other'. While not geared toward tactics, it has a tidbit or two. Have you heard of it? .
    Drivel. But the pictures were nice.

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    My general experience is that coaches who know a lot about racing tactics won't write that stuff down...
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    Quote Originally Posted by botto View Post
    you can't read flemish, but you can read dutch.
    I'll read whatever the hell I want, thank you.
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    I've only read Prehn's book, but I feel like the best way to learn about tactics is racing a lot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Creakyknees View Post
    I'll read whatever the hell I want, thank you.
    good luck with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bitingduck View Post
    My general experience is that coaches who know a lot about racing tactics won't write that stuff down...
    I agree, but I'm also finding very few coaches that know anything about tactics. It seems like a lot of them are concentrating on training and power. That's all well and good and marketable, but it doesn't necessarily help riders win races.

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    Aren't there a whole bunch of threads on the subject in this forum? I realize they have never been compiled but there must be quite a bit of information.

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    Quote Originally Posted by botto View Post
    you can't read flemish, but you can read dutch.
    I can not or Ik kan niet.

    I like CDRs videos.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EventServices View Post
    Drivel. But the pictures were nice.
    If the author decides to write a book on tactics, I'll buy a copy.

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    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmh View Post
    If the author decides to write a book on tactics, I'll buy a copy.
    If it's half as entertaining as Roadie it'll be a pretty good book, even if bitter experience is a much better way to learn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mollusk View Post
    I have found that many of the most important lessons are best learned by bitter experience.
    I generally have learned he most if I'm banging on my handlebars and spitting obscenities after crossing the finish line.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EventServices View Post
    I agree, but I'm also finding very few coaches that know anything about tactics. It seems like a lot of them are concentrating on training and power. That's all well and good and marketable, but it doesn't necessarily help riders win races.
    Yeah, that's generally been my observation, too- a lot of coaches are more fitness trainer than racing coach, but we do have a few around here who are real racing coaches. The ones I know tend to be more track oriented, but most have a lot of road racing/coaching experience, too. If they write stuff down it gives away competitive edge...
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    So it's a case of: I'll teach you everything you need to know.... but I won't teach you everything I know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EventServices View Post
    So it's a case of: I'll teach you everything you need to know.... but I won't teach you everything I know.
    C'mon, it's not like there are so many secrets. A few basic principles, adjust for the course / field / event specifics, and learn to read the race and make decisions on the road. Judgement and experience can't be gained from a book.

    Oh also, "you still have to pedal the thing"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Creakyknees View Post
    C'mon, it's not like there are so many secrets. A few basic principles, adjust for the course / field / event specifics, and learn to read the race and make decisions on the road. Judgement and experience can't be gained from a book.

    Oh also, "you still have to pedal the thing"
    Good race coaching (including race oriented training rather than "fitness" oriented training) can make a *huge* difference in how long it takes to learn to read a race and make good decisions in the race. You can't learn all of it from a book (or even from being told by a coach), but having stuff written down can speed up the learning by a lot. That's kinda what books are for.

    Yeah, you have to pedal the thing, but if you don't race smart you can be the strongest guy out there and a strong but smarter guy will beat you to the line.
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