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Old 12-14-10, 10:19 PM   #1
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"Choose your races"?

Assuming you had the time/$$/mobility to do all the races in your local area/association, why not do as many as possible in a given season? (e.g. road race, crits, circuit races, both hilly and flat)

Seems like lower cats (3-5) can use all the racing experience they can get, and as such shouldn't be picky about what races they're doing. Yet I hear lots of beginners talk about "choosing their races".

How do you know you're not a sprinter if you've never tried to mix it up at the end of a crit? (e.g. just b/c you're skinny doesn't mean you should only do hilly RRs)

Maybe this is not as big of an issue way up here in WSBA, as we have at most 2 races on the weekends, and 2 training crits on weekdays during the season. But guys up here still talk about "choosing their races".. why?

Even if you're fat, you should still do that hilly road race! And skinny racers should show up to the flat crits.


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My first 2 years I raced every race I could...like 45 times in one year...

now that I am older and wiser, there are certain courses here in Socal that I just can't do good in or even finish depending on my fitness, so I pick my battles a bit wiser and focus on races where I can actually contribute to the team.
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I have to drive 2 or more hrs to most of the races (theres actually 2 races this year that are only 30-40 min away).
So considering the cost of entry fees, hotels, gas, food, etc, Im only planning on about 10+/- races. So I'll be choosing my races on which courses Ive done before, and liked. As well as a few new ones.
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yeah i raced almost everything last season (my first) and i'll do the same next year.

my experience was that i'm not a huge crit fan, but crits are really good training for my road race limiters (tactics and sprint/explosive power). i pretty much map out my training/racing calendar with an event every weekend and then only bail on racing if something important comes up or i'm sick or completely fried. but definitely err on the side of racing lots. i offset the cost by volunteering as much as i can.
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I thought I was a climber at first. I think that's the case with a lot of new racers because they can climb well compared to non-racers. And that's where training and willingness to suffer stand out quickly. But the speed on the flats destroyed me, and I got totally shelled on climbs.

I did everything at first, and after I got shelled in "hilly" road races, I'd only enter the ones with max 1-1.5 mile long climbs in them. That shrunk down to 1 mile, then less than a mile. But I did everything else.

I still race about 40-50 times a year, but they're pretty selective races. I'll enter races where I have no chance just so I can help a teammate. But with other things I have to do, I can't drive 3 hours each way to do 10 miles of work in a 55 mile road race (I did that once, and in super cold pouring rain no less).

I like the idea of everyone trying races though. I never thought I'd be a crit rider, not for a couple years. Go figure.

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My first 2 years I raced every race I could...like 45 times in one year...

now that I am older and wiser, there are certain courses here in Socal that I just can't do good in or even finish depending on my fitness, so I pick my battles a bit wiser and focus on races where I can actually contribute to the team.
This is about where I'm at currently - 46 races last year - we'll see if I can keep it up next year...

As for older/wiser.. not there quite yet.

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yeah i raced almost everything last season (my first) and i'll do the same next year.

my experience was that i'm not a huge crit fan, but crits are really good training for my road race limiters (tactics and sprint/explosive power). i pretty much map out my training/racing calendar with an event every weekend and then only bail on racing if something important comes up or i'm sick or completely fried. but definitely err on the side of racing lots. i offset the cost by volunteering as much as i can.
I too map out pretty much all the local races on my calendar, and only drop them as needed. I offset my costs by working.

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Every body counts.. I'd have one more point currently if that one slacker had shown up to last year's season ender crit (field of only 49, dammit).
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Assuming you had the time/$$/mobility to do all the races in your local area/association, why not do as many as possible in a given season? (e.g. road race, crits, circuit races, both hilly and flat)

Seems like lower cats (3-5) can use all the racing experience they can get, and as such shouldn't be picky about what races they're doing.
Yet I hear lots of beginners talk about "choosing their races".

How do you know you're not a sprinter if you've never tried to mix it up at the end of a crit? (e.g. just b/c you're skinny doesn't mean you should only do hilly RRs)

Maybe this is not as big of an issue way up here in WSBA, as we have at most 2 races on the weekends, and 2 training crits on weekdays during the season. But guys up here still talk about "choosing their races".. why?

Even if you're fat, you should still do that hilly road race! And skinny racers should show up to the flat crits.


[This is really just an attempt to get field sizes up, btw]
noobs to racing are prone to making stupid comments.



read some of your past posts for proof of that fact.
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Old 12-15-10, 08:23 AM   #10
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My racing weight is 30 pounds above the kids I'm up against and my ftp is (at least) 20 watts lower... that's why I choose to avoid hilly races.

(except of course if I just like the course or the promoters and need some good training)
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there are certain races i dont do if they involve 1) travel, 2) are on terrain i know i will not only be unsuccessful, but will be struggling too much to even be helpful to a team mate. take out the travel component, and i'll go because at least i'm useful in a feedzone, but if it's something like an all day or all weekend committment, that's too stressful on the family dynamic and my ego.
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I do as many races as I can.. WHY.. because I like racing and with my work schedule and family obiligations during the week it is hard to link up with others to push myself to ride harder...
SO racing, especially early in the season is a way for me to get stronger. Nothing replicates the speed and intencity of a race...

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I should point out that if I think I can be of help in a hilly road race, I'll go - to feed and such. I was the feed zone guy for our team in the CT Stage Race. Because of various incidents I gave away a lot of drink/food to other riders. But it's all good. I did support my teammates too, but 2/3 of what I handed up were to either friends or strangers in desperate need of sustenance.

I didn't count it as a race though.
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I choose races. I am a pro cat 4.

I choose because of location, date, nature of the race environment, how popular it is with my team, etc. That is all.

There is only 1 race on the calendar that I have forsaken...and that's a little crit we have here called Fox River Grove (FRG). It has a climb that runs along-side a ski jump. I have no business racing in that race. I have done it. a few times. I only stand to get in other's way and get pulled 15 minutes into it.
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noobs to racing are prone to making stupid comments.

read some of your past posts for proof of that fact.
I'd like to know when you'll stop making stupid comments..

Also, aren't we the same cat now?! Do me a favor, stop talking **** and bring your big fat mustache out here to race.
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I choose races. I am a pro cat 4.

I choose because of location, date, nature of the race environment, how popular it is with my team, etc. That is all.

There is only 1 race on the calendar that I have forsaken...and that's a little crit we have here called Fox River Grove (FRG). It has a climb that runs along-side a ski jump. I have no business racing in that race. I have done it. a few times. I only stand to get in other's way and get pulled 15 minutes into it.
There is an easy solution to this dilemma, sir.
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Also, aren't we the same cat now?!
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I'd like to know when you'll stop making stupid comments..

Also, aren't we the same cat now?! Do me a favor, stop talking **** and bring your big fat mustache out here to race.
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Seems like lower cats (3-5) can use all the racing experience they can get, and as such shouldn't be picky about what races they're doing. Yet I hear lots of beginners talk about "choosing their races".
I think noobs skip the first chapter about periodization not doing jack for the first few years on a bike. I know I did and skipped many riding/racing opportunities that would have benefited me far greater than trying to "peak" for some event as a cat 5 clown.

(spoken fron the perspective of a current (and probably for life) cat 4 clown)
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I only do races where the promoter will meet my appearance fee demands. If I do all of the races I kill that revenue stream.
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I race as many as my family and work commitments allow. I've imposed a 90-mile radius on myself, which occasionally gets stretched if I can figure out a way to make it a family event (see Giro di SF). And yeah, there are some races I have no business doing -- Nevada City comes to mind -- but they are huge fitness boosters.
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Don't forget that some people can't race 40-50 races per year because of family, finances, etc. I race about 25-35 (not counting training crits) per year and "choose" races. Some I like because I can be more competitive (crits with a short hill). Others I like because of the crowd and atmosphere of the race (Manhattan Beach GP, Dana Point, Tour de Murrieta ). And a very small number I choose for the challenge where I'm struggling to not get dropped. I could race 80 races a year if I did all the IP crits around SoCal but I'd rather try and win the sprint in the local Saturday ride.
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...bring your big fat mustache out here to race.
ooohhh. pistols at dawn. who will be your second? I say let BF choose a neutral location and we'll all pitch in to send CDR as observer to write the race report for us.
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I race as many as my family and work commitments allow. I've imposed a 90-mile radius on myself, which occasionally gets stretched if I can figure out a way to make it a family event (see Giro di SF). And yeah, there are some races I have no business doing -- Nevada City comes to mind -- but they are huge fitness boosters.
This is basically what I do. I don't give equal emphasis on all races though. Some races I'll fight to race. Others I'll let relatively trivial family commitments take precedence.
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