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Old 12-21-10, 01:11 PM   #1
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Best bonding agent for DIY carbon repair?

When I crashed sunday one of my bottle cage inserts got ripped out of the frame. Whats the best agent to secure the new insert?
JB weld?
gorilla glue?
2 part epoxy?
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Old 12-21-10, 01:13 PM   #2
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Just to be the first smart ass....JB Weld.
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forget the gorilla glue.

JB weld is epoxy mixed with stuff to make it better in high temp applications (I think)

I'd go with the two-part epoxy adhesive, maybe using a file to rough up the surfaces first.
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Wait JB Weld was a serious choice. Dammit. JB Weld is my go to smart ass answer for all repair questions.
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ibdt

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Ive done tons of repairs on f-glass, alum, steel, bot not carbon...
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what about fiberglass resin?

and obviously we're talking about bonding the metal insert into the carbon...
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2 part epoxy. Available at your local hardware store.
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+1 for the epoxy
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what about fiberglass resin?

and obviously we're talking about bonding the metal insert into the carbon...
There many different types of resin as well. Stay away from polyester resin, only use epoxy resin for building CF. Also be careful about mixing the two, epoxies typically do not stick well to polyester/vinylester resins.

For repairs, look for those 2-part epoxies in the syringe tubes with bond-strength of at least 3000psi. West System has some epoxies with up to 17500psi strength.

hammy, look at the hole in the frame carefully. Is it just the glue holding the insert in that broke? Or is the underlying CF tubing damaged as well? In an area like this, I think you want to use an adhesive that's just good enough to hold the bottle, but is weak enough so that it breaks away in a wreck and not take any tubing material with it. It may be possible to be too strong in this case and cause more damage than necessary.

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Not even a competition.

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Did you buy the frame locally? If so, there may be some options.
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There many different types of resin as well. Stay away from polyester resin, only use epoxy resin for building CF. Also be careful about mixing the two, epoxies typically do not stick well to polyester/vinylester resins.

For repairs, look for those 2-part epoxies in the syringe tubes with bond-strength of at least 3000psi. West System has some epoxies with up to 17500psi strength.

hammy, look at the hole in the frame carefully. Is it just the glue holding the insert in that broke? Or is the underlying CF tubing damaged as well? In an area like this, I think you want to use an adhesive that's just good enough to hold the bottle, but is weak enough so that it breaks away in a wreck and not take any tubing material with it. It may be possible to be too strong in this case and cause more damage than necessary.
from what I can see, when the insert was pulled out, it did slight damage, just fraying the carbon slightly...and my concern really is just to secure the new insert well enough, so it doesnt come out when Im grabbing my bottle.
Im not sure what forces are applied to down tube, but I wouldnt think it to be a concern as far as the frayed carbon getting worse...
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Did you buy the frame locally? If so, there may be some options.
yes, and this I'll be looking into, hopefully tomorrow.
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West System epoxiesfor everything glass or carbon. Lots of good info about resins in general.
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