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    Racing in non-regestered organization's kit

    I've been riding with a local group for a little over a year. We're getting a kit made up with our local sponsors, our logo and so on, and I'd like to be able to wear it sometimes when I'm racing (cat 5).

    The group is not registered with USAC and is not a race club or team. I will however be competing unofficially with a fellow member of the group in races in the area. Will there be any issue with one or both wearing the kit to race in?

    I could see it going either way because we:
    • Would not be representing an organization (club or team) registered with USAC
    • Said organization does not appear on our licenses
    • We could appear to be representing ourselves as a registered club/team if we wear the same kit


    What are y'all's thought's on this? I have read through the rule book for this but am unclear on the interpretation for this scenario.

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    You can wear whatever you want I have done that in the past. No biggie.
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    I assume you're racing as "unattached". In that case, I think you can wear pretty much any jersey as long is it is not from another official team, since you are not a member of that team. Pretty sure the officials & refs have more important things to worry about. Bring a generic jersey in your bag just in case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Homebrew01 View Post
    I assume you're racing as "unattached". In that case, I think you can wear pretty much any jersey as long is it is not from another official team, since you are not a member of that team. Pretty sure the officials & refs have more important things to worry about. Bring a generic jersey in your bag just in case.
    Or race in a wife beater - oh wait you have to have sleeves.
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    if you squeal like a pig, you're good to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by botto View Post
    if you squeal like a pig, you're good to go.
    You know where I live so I tend to stay quiet...
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    (b) Advertising may appear only on the uniform, including caps, shoes, and helmet of riders who are racing members of sponsored clubs [disqualification for other advertising]. The club's name must appear on the front and back or two sides of the jersey. The name may be abbreviated.

    If it's a non commercial club/team and you don't have product/company names on there you're fine. Believe it or not once in a while they enforce this stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Racer Ex View Post
    (b) Advertising may appear only on the uniform, including caps, shoes, and helmet of riders who are racing members of sponsored clubs [disqualification for other advertising]. The club's name must appear on the front and back or two sides of the jersey. The name may be abbreviated.

    If it's a non commercial club/team and you don't have product/company names on there you're fine. Believe it or not once in a while they enforce this stuff.
    What if you are wearing a Livestrong Jersey???
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    Quote Originally Posted by Racer Ex View Post
    (b) Advertising may appear only on the uniform, including caps, shoes, and helmet of riders who are racing members of sponsored clubs [disqualification for other advertising]. The club's name must appear on the front and back or two sides of the jersey. The name may be abbreviated.

    If it's a non commercial club/team and you don't have product/company names on there you're fine. Believe it or not once in a while they enforce this stuff.
    Hmm, I read that passage as speaking to the placement of permitted advertising, not that advertising was prohibited to be worn by unattached license holders. We have sponsorships from a local shop, Bike Barn, and a website. Would those logos prohibit our wearing the jerseys?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dolamite02 View Post
    Hmm, I read that passage as speaking to the placement of permitted advertising, not that advertising was prohibited to be worn by unattached license holders. We have sponsorships from a local shop, Bike Barn, and a website. Would those logos prohibit our wearing the jerseys?
    If you're not an active (affiliated) club with USAC, yes. Actually came up at the TXBRA meeting Saturday. Likelihood of being enforced is probably slight.


    1E. Affiliated Clubs and Teams
    1E1. Cycling clubs may affiliate with USA Cycling on an annual basis, and the name of the club will appear on the USA Cycling license of the member. A given club may also have a separate race team, which may also be shown on the license.
    1E2. Club registration requires the paying of an annual fee described in the Schedule of Fees.


    1E6. Sponsorship. Any affiliated road or track club in good standing which has promoted a race open to members of other clubs in the current or previous calendar year shall be eligible for sponsorship.




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    Quote Originally Posted by rkwaki View Post
    What if you are wearing a Livestrong Jersey???
    Depends if you're Serena or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Homebrew01 View Post
    I assume you're racing as "unattached". In that case, I think you can wear pretty much any jersey as long is it is not from another official team, since you are not a member of that team. Pretty sure the officials & refs have more important things to worry about. Bring a generic jersey in your bag just in case.
    can i race in my school's kit? i was not on the cycling team when i was still in school however i am an alum...

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    Quote Originally Posted by notwist View Post
    can i race in my school's kit? i was not on the cycling team when i was still in school however i am an alum...
    Not if it's an affiliated club that has a cycling team. We had a guy who was wearing his old team's jersey and had to turn it inside out at a race.

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    And BTW I could give a flying if y'all race in assless chaps. 98% of the time they aren't going to care if you're a Cat 5. Just don't have a hissy if you're wearing an Astana kit and an official in a bad mood tells you it's a no-go.

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    Thanks for the info, Racer Ex.

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    Most likely no big deal. But it is technically against the rules so the official could make you wear something else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Racer Ex View Post
    Depends if you're Serena or not.
    What if I have nice ta-ta's???
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    Quote Originally Posted by Racer Ex View Post
    And BTW I could give a flying if y'all race in assless chaps. 98% of the time they aren't going to care if you're a Cat 5. Just don't have a hissy if you're wearing an Astana kit and an official in a bad mood tells you it's a no-go.
    It is much more likely to get a pissed off official if it is unearned "colors", i.e. World or National champion jersey. Not too likely to see World champions locally, but National champions are seen on a regular basis and wearing those colors needs to be protected.

    As RacerEx says, don't sweat it very much. Nobody is really going to care very much if things don't meet the letter of the law in a Cat 5 race. On the other hand, if you have a "plain vanilla" jersey I'd carry that along to the race as well just in case.
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    Personally I'd have a problem with racing against others if they were in assless chaps.

    But on the kit thing, be ready to race with the jersey inside out. Or bring a plain jersey as a back up.

    Technically someone has to earn the right to wear a jersey with logos on it. I spent a lot of time making it possible for "carpe diem racing" to be on jerseys.

    Although you can race in whatever the officials will let you race in, I think that new racers need to learn a combination of "going by the rules" (because a lot of them have some valid reason for existing) and "learning how to change the rules" (because everyone who races has the opportunity to suggest and support/reject rule changes). So follow the rules as they are and if you don't like them, petition to change them.

    If you and a friend want to unofficially compete together as a team, you can do it in an unofficial venue - a non-USAC one.

    Once you sign a waiver saying you know and will follow all the rules, you're official, whether you like it or not.

    Not an official and right now not even a great fan of USAC but someone who understands that I'm supposed to follow USAC rules if I want to do USAC races or I can not follow the rules and just not do USAC races,
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    Quote Originally Posted by rkwaki View Post
    What if I have nice ta-ta's???
    It would be the same as if I had hair and could dunk. We'd be in a time/space where the rules of mere mortals would not apply to us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dolamite02 View Post
    Hmm, I read that passage as speaking to the placement of permitted advertising, not that advertising was prohibited to be worn by unattached license holders. We have sponsorships from a local shop, Bike Barn, and a website. Would those logos prohibit our wearing the jerseys?
    you have to get a uci one, then you can put what ever as your team or sponsor, thats what i had to do as my team for this year is from overseas

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    Quote Originally Posted by Racer Ex View Post
    It would be the same as if I had hair and could dunk. We'd be in a time/space where the rules of mere mortals would not apply to us.
    Like this guy:

    I'm the world's forgotten boy. The one who's searchin', searchin' to destroy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carpediemracing View Post
    Personally I'd have a problem with racing against others if they were in assless chaps.
    Me too. Because we'd be in the pack drafting where as Rex would be off the front. And btw isn't 'assless chaps' redundant? I believe by definition chaps are assless.

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    nobody cares abotu cat5
    if you race in a made up non USAC team kit that isn't like "US POSTAL SERVICE" or something so obviously not you, you might get trouble and you should not do it IMO in cat4 and up.

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