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Old 01-23-11, 07:37 PM   #1
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WTF Td Murrieta?! From flat 12 miles TT to 4.1 dirt road uphill climb?

Tour de Murrieta omnium TT has changed from flat 12 miles to 4.1 miles uphill climb on partially unpaved road. Yes, the last 2 miles are uphill climb on an unpaved dirt road. (Map & Google Street View)

WTF? Do I have to get a cross bike for this event or should I bring my MTb? Or lets call it Strada Biancha de Murrieta
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Old 01-23-11, 08:36 PM   #2
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You can ride a road bike on gravel roads. I’m not fond of it, but there is a race I did last year with 4 of the 48 miles on gravel. It’s a little nerve-wracking when you’re in a tight pack and everyone starts fish-tailing when the gravel gets a little too deep.
http://www.spokanerocketvelo.com/ind...=68&Itemid=116
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It's not as bad as you think. Only 1.2 miles of it is dirt. The climb averages less than 3%. It's very hard packed dirt and easily ridden with a road bike. We've had people ride it on a TT bike but I think many will choose to leave them at home.
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if you can't ride a road bike on dirt roads don't go to Eur----

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Old 01-23-11, 09:51 PM   #5
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It's not as bad as you think. Only 1.2 miles of it is dirt. The climb averages less than 3%. It's very hard packed dirt and easily ridden with a road bike. We've had people ride it on a TT bike but I think many will choose to leave them at home.
Its dirt road and the climb is up to 6% steep. Its black vs white. 12 miles of flat time trial on fiesta island vs a 4.1 miles off dirt road hill climb? Its a completely different race. For a $100 omnium race fee I will rather stay home. $35 to race 4 miles on a dirt road? Are you kidding me? I'm surprised USA Cycling even gave those clowns a permit for this race.
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if you can't ride a road bike on dirt roads don't go to Eur----

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This is not about being able to ride on dirt roads, this is about completely changing the race .... from flat tarmac to dirt climb. Its like moving the Battenkill race to a velodrome ....
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I'm not sure what the background is here; but to be completely honest, you're sounding like a baby. Don't like it? Don't race it. Realistically, if you're strong in one TT you're *probably* strong in another.
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This is not about being able to ride on dirt roads, this is about completely changing the race .... from flat tarmac to dirt climb. Its like moving the Battenkill race to a velodrome ....
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and I have no sympathy either, having promoted races before. Quit your bloody whining.
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and I have no sympathy either, having promoted races before. Quit your bloody whining.
yeah, I'm not happy. I train on fiesta island on my TT bike very often so the 3 long laps (12 miles) on fiesta island is like coming home. You train there and you are excited about the race, you know you can do well .... than, at the last minute they move it to some stupid dirt road. No wonder I'm pissed. Riding my TT bike on my home roads vs dirt road uphill event in the middle of nowhere grrrrrrrrrr
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It's so played out... but seriously, HTFU.
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Its dirt road and the climb is up to 6% steep. Its black vs white. 12 miles of flat time trial on fiesta island vs a 4.1 miles off dirt road hill climb? Its a completely different race. For a $100 omnium race fee I will rather stay home. $35 to race 4 miles on a dirt road? Are you kidding me? I'm surprised USA Cycling even gave those clowns a permit for this race.
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there is no difference between a 12 mi tt and 4 mi uphill tt on partial dirt roads? are you serious? that completely changes the race, and apparently for the worse for the op. i get it, the organizers probably had their hands tied, but the htfu bs around here is pretty annoying lately. and for the record, i am not doing this race, but i would certainly fair much better on a 4 mile climb tt than a 12 mile flat tt.
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We realize there is a difference between the TTs. That difference was a big part of our discussions for & against changing it. There were many other more important reasons why it was changed but I'm not going to argue them over the internets because our committee has already made the decision. The TDM has historically been a 2 day omnium. Last year was the first year we introduced a TT. We reserve the right to keep making changes to that part of the race until our club, the City of Murrieta, & the majority of participants are satisfied with it.
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I prefer the Fiesta Island TT, because it's right by my work but I thought it was weird to have the "Tour de Murrieta" begin in central San Diego.
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We realize there is a difference between the TTs. That difference was a big part of our discussions for & against changing it. There were many other more important reasons why it was changed but I'm not going to argue them over the internets because our committee has already made the decision. The TDM has historically been a 2 day omnium. Last year was the first year we introduced a TT. We reserve the right to keep making changes to that part of the race until our club, the City of Murrieta, & the majority of participants are satisfied with it.
note: i am not bashing the change. i am sure that you guys invested significant time and effort when making to the decision, and will always side with race promoters who make course alternations for pragmatic reasons. my response was more to the people that were saying htfu to a guy who has trained for a specific tt course which was changed two or three months out. i hope you guys have a fantastic race.
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fly:yes - understood. I didn't think you were bashing. carry on...
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Jan, you'll be fine. I don't believe this course is as bad for you as you think. The first half is slightly downhill and by all accounts the dirt section is very mild. Sounds like a power course to me. Bring your TT bike and race wheels, but maybe consider some wider tires.

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I am so excited about this. The TT is the reason I want to do TDM this yr. Hopefully it is raining and possibly some gunfire as well. The worse the course the better!
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No wonder I'm pissed.
Had to laugh. Were you trying to figure out a cause, or convince yourself of said pissed'ness?

It is still an omnium right? Last year I was mad at the addition altogether cause I wanted to target the overall (and a TT leaves me squarely out of that ambition )

To me the biggest downer is with cleaning/lubing a road bike after a dirt TT before 2 more stages.

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uphill dirt TT and basically 2 crits? pass.
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It's not really bad at all...the 6% part is actually paved and about 300yds past that the hard pack dirt starts and it averages around 2-4%. It's a big ring climb the whole time, seriously, I am weak and i climbed the whole thing in the big ring and I am not a power house by any means. Ride it on a road bike with aero bars, you'll be fine, or even better, before bashing a course you know nothing about ride it first, then come back and speak intelligently about it.
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It's not really bad at all...the 6% part is actually paved and about 300yds past that the hard pack dirt starts and it averages around 2-4%. It's a big ring climb the whole time, seriously, I am weak and i climbed the whole thing in the big ring and I am not a power house by any means. Ride it on a road bike with aero bars, you'll be fine, or even better, before bashing a course you know nothing about ride it first, then come back and speak intelligently about it.
You are defending this change just because it is your own club race otherwise you wouldnt be happy about it either.....but its OK, I will have enough opportunities to tangle (again) with CalPool guys every Tue & Thu during the Fiesta Island season.
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