when should I stop doing base training?
03-19-11, 07:04 PM
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when should I stop doing base training?
does it make sense to stop when you reach a decent average speed in z2,z3
whats your LSD average speed at the end of base? does it matter?
-cat 4. thanks.
whats your LSD average speed at the end of base? does it matter?
-cat 4. thanks.
03-19-11, 07:49 PM
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I hate that book, it's so cold, uninviting, and too computational and regimented for my taste. but maybe I'll give it a second look.
03-19-11, 09:23 PM
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like a BOSS!
I knew I should have phrased this question differently, either way its bound to get picked to pieces.
don't worry I won't do exactly what ya'll are doing, in the end I will do what works for me.
I knew I should have phrased this question differently, either way its bound to get picked to pieces.
don't worry I won't do exactly what ya'll are doing, in the end I will do what works for me.
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03-19-11, 09:30 PM
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Throw the stick!!!!
You do realize that average speed means next to nothing correct? Everyone's routes are different so it's pretty hard to compare with others.
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03-19-11, 09:58 PM
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yes but it can be used to track improvement, regardless of the routes everyone's avg should go up.
03-20-11, 06:48 AM
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Not necessarily....
Last year was my first year of structured training and this year my average speed is no better then last year, at this point, but this year I'm training harder and I know I am stronger based on power numbers....The difference is I'm doing a lot more interval type work and I am learning to actually rest between intervals....Therefore average speed goes down...
Average speed is a total waste!
These days I don't even look at speed or distance....It's all about time, power and INTENSITY!
Last year was my first year of structured training and this year my average speed is no better then last year, at this point, but this year I'm training harder and I know I am stronger based on power numbers....The difference is I'm doing a lot more interval type work and I am learning to actually rest between intervals....Therefore average speed goes down...
Average speed is a total waste!
These days I don't even look at speed or distance....It's all about time, power and INTENSITY!
03-20-11, 07:26 AM
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Average speed should matter when you're doing a test for it, like a 30 min time trial to pinpoint lactate threshold. Provided you do it on the same course with the same wind conditions, you should be able to track improvement by avg speed (aka distance covered). For example, last time I did a 30 minut test I averaged 20.5 mph fo 30 min. The best time trialists in the world have to average just over 25mph if they want to do a 40k TT in an hour. Other than that, average doesn't mean much.
03-20-11, 07:37 AM
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Like a minimum wage lifer.
Then why start the thread to begin with?
Continue to wallow in ignorance. Every race needs fodder.
Continue to wallow in ignorance. Every race needs fodder.
03-20-11, 11:17 AM
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You're doing it wrong. Others have given you advice but you seem to have your head too far up your arse to realize.
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If you don't have a power meter, then heart rate as it relates to speed/time for a given route is a better measure of performance than speed alone. If you don't like Friel's book, there are many other resources available; you might like Chappel's book on base training better. My best advice is to work backwards from your A races/events. You want to work on specific training as you near your A event and taper so you're fresh and ready. You can also use the ATP scheduler in Training Peaks if you're using this online program.
Personally, I'm following a schedule on page 174 in Training and Racing with a Power Meter, 2nd edition. My goals, and strengths and weaknesses nearly match the Bob Rider character Allen and Coggan use as an example - how fortuitous! However, I use a power meter. Even so, I've worked backwards from my A races in July in creating a training schedule.
Personally, I'm following a schedule on page 174 in Training and Racing with a Power Meter, 2nd edition. My goals, and strengths and weaknesses nearly match the Bob Rider character Allen and Coggan use as an example - how fortuitous! However, I use a power meter. Even so, I've worked backwards from my A races in July in creating a training schedule.
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On a not very rigorous level - when I start training specifically for races, it pretty much becomes impossible to do base training. Days when I might have done a 4 hr tempo ride get replaced with a crit or a high intensity intervals. More intensity, fewer miles.
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Average speed should matter when you're doing a test for it, like a 30 min time trial to pinpoint lactate threshold. Provided you do it on the same course with the same wind conditions, you should be able to track improvement by avg speed (aka distance covered). For example, last time I did a 30 minut test I averaged 20.5 mph fo 30 min. The best time trialists in the world have to average just over 25mph if they want to do a 40k TT in an hour. Other than that, average doesn't mean much.
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I gotta give a point for cleverness on that!
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Average speed never matters.... Go off of power, PE, or HR but never average speed unless you do the same course with the same weather and with nothing to stop you. Even then I wouldnt use it.
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Semi-serious reply (or Zen koan?): the faster I get, the lower my average speed is.
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