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Old 05-08-13, 06:49 AM   #351
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2013 Bunny hop, cat 4

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a couple things
1) you really really need to learn to grab the wheel in front of you. you spend a lot of time in that clip ~10 feet behind the guy in front of you, you're wasting a ton of energy
2) don't divebomb the corners. even after the guy warned you you did it on the last lap (then proceeded to leave a huge gap open)
3) you say "time to step up the sprint training," but you lost that sprint way before the actual sprint.
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How? Why?
not really sure, was going through that back corner fine and suddenly I was sliding along the pavement. got up and checked everything and the tired was rolled off the rim but still inflated. walked back to the start/finish, got a wheel, and hopped back in. my race was over after that though since my right leg was hurting and i started cramping =/ it was pretty hot that day (90+) so maybe the glued softened up? also a big reason for my cramping

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Glue should be fine until the dripped in asphalt patches start to run. Then it's getting a bit hot. Even in such situations I never had a tire roll even though I had to avoid the slippery asphalt patches.

A proper glue job should make it an absolute bear to remove a tire without damaging it and should never roll. In fact you should be able to deflate the tire completely and it shouldn't roll. I should get a still of my teammate who had a blow out mid turn just after he bridged to a couple Cat 2s. He was going about 30 mph, diving into a left turn, tire totally deflated. He stayed upright because the tire stayed in place (he was racing my wheels and I'd glued the tires).

A rolled tire means insufficient adhesion otherwise.

What kind of glue did you use? Was it glued within the last 2 years? Did you roll the basetape? that's another possibility. I've only heard of Hutchinson tubulars rolling basetapes (other than ancient tubulars where the tire was all dried up). I saw two roll myself and the famous one is the one Lance rolled in the Tour.

Whatever, rolling a tire is a major, major, major warning sign that your tires are not on properly. It is grounds for suspension in a USAC race. You should reglue carefully.

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If I flat a tubbie I have to cut it in half and tear it off. I haven't been able to remove one in a while...
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What may be lost is the camera is away solo on the last lap. My teammate Matt dug him back before the sprint unfolded.
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Old 05-08-13, 10:44 AM   #356
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Mikey's comments made me look at this.

I think you rode reasonably well in the bits that are in the clip. I did notice that you move laterally pretty suddenly at times - without seeing your head movement I can't tell if you looked to make sure things were clear first. If you did then great, if not then you can look down to look past your arm (under your shoulder) to see if it's clear back there.

I think that the guy cuts you off - he came in pretty hard and he had some room to the outside. On the other hand you had a potential out. If you'd moved up just a bit more before the corner then your bars would have been in front of his. At that point the guy can't move in - that's how you claim your spot. You could have moved up to the blue rider, maybe even overlapped just a bit, then eased back as you all entered the turn. By putting your bars in front of his you claim the strong position.

Of course if you find yourself in the same position again, with your bars behind his, then you're in the weak position. Therefore you have to ease and back off, or at least expect to ease and back off. This is why the field will surge at times - a lot of people trying to claim the strong position, whether instinctively (i.e. they understand what they need to do but not why) or intentionally (they understand they need to get their bars in front of the bars next to them).

In the final lap you seem to back off pretty hard going into the turn where you lose the wheel. It was this that really killed the race afterward. If you had bombed into the turn and stayed on the wheel then you'd have been sheltered, not used massive wattage trying to close the gap, etc.

In the sprint it looks like you don't make much headway against the other riders. This tells me that your jump isn't necessarily your strong point. That means that position is absolutely critical in your finishes. Figure that there will always be a few guys with a good jump (the "sprinters") so that means you should do everything possible to be in the 4th-10th place going into the sprint. Further forward than that and you'll probably be seeing too much wind. Further back and you'll have no places to lose.

Working on sprinting is fine. See how you can increase your jump, maybe by jumping in a slightly lower gear and shifting once or twice in the sprint. It'll help more to reach the finish with more reserves - holding position better in turns, sitting closer on wheels when it counts, saving some efforts for the finish.

I tell stronger riders that they should plan on launching a big attack at some point. The key is that up to that point their race should be boring, so boring it's frustrating, no efforts, barely keeping the legs warm, etc. Then launch when they're ready (or it's the planned lap/spot). After that the race will be really, really, really hard.

As a note I don't see a lot of wind - trees aren't blowing around, numbers/jerseys aren't billowing. It may have been there but it seems that it might have just been the 25-28 mph pace that kept people from doing much. That's normal in Cat 3-4-5 races. The guys who can go 28 mph all day in a small group are the threats but most riders realistically can't do that so they tend to be more conservative.

Overall I think you had a good race. You looked relatively safe, you moved up well when it was quiet or with shelter, you were active at the front, and you seemed to be aware of what was going on around you.
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the mechanic at my shop glued my tubular. after further inspection, the glued that rolled off the rim was one of the older coatings he didn't remove when gluing the new tire on. the tire bed of the area where the tire rolled was perfectly clean with no glue residue. the current tire had been glued about 3 months previously and the tire before that was about a year ago
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this is why i'm scared to upgrade to tubbies.
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this is why i'm scared to upgrade to tubbies.
Dude it isn't that hard.

Three coats of Panaracer glue on a clean rim, three coats on the basetape, put a little air in them, let them sit and dry for a few days. BOOM! - never coming off...

Still scared? Send them to ole rkwaki and I glue them, you'll curse me the day you get a flat...
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Old 05-08-13, 03:12 PM   #364
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it was the first time it's ever happened. raced them again all weekend at nationals and they were perfect
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Mikey's comments made me look at this.

I think you rode reasonably well in the bits that are in the clip. I did notice that you move laterally pretty suddenly at times - without seeing your head movement I can't tell if you looked to make sure things were clear first. If you did then great, if not then you can look down to look past your arm (under your shoulder) to see if it's clear back there.

I think that the guy cuts you off - he came in pretty hard and he had some room to the outside. On the other hand you had a potential out. If you'd moved up just a bit more before the corner then your bars would have been in front of his. At that point the guy can't move in - that's how you claim your spot. You could have moved up to the blue rider, maybe even overlapped just a bit, then eased back as you all entered the turn. By putting your bars in front of his you claim the strong position.

Of course if you find yourself in the same position again, with your bars behind his, then you're in the weak position. Therefore you have to ease and back off, or at least expect to ease and back off. This is why the field will surge at times - a lot of people trying to claim the strong position, whether instinctively (i.e. they understand what they need to do but not why) or intentionally (they understand they need to get their bars in front of the bars next to them).

In the final lap you seem to back off pretty hard going into the turn where you lose the wheel. It was this that really killed the race afterward. If you had bombed into the turn and stayed on the wheel then you'd have been sheltered, not used massive wattage trying to close the gap, etc.

In the sprint it looks like you don't make much headway against the other riders. This tells me that your jump isn't necessarily your strong point. That means that position is absolutely critical in your finishes. Figure that there will always be a few guys with a good jump (the "sprinters") so that means you should do everything possible to be in the 4th-10th place going into the sprint. Further forward than that and you'll probably be seeing too much wind. Further back and you'll have no places to lose.

Working on sprinting is fine. See how you can increase your jump, maybe by jumping in a slightly lower gear and shifting once or twice in the sprint. It'll help more to reach the finish with more reserves - holding position better in turns, sitting closer on wheels when it counts, saving some efforts for the finish.

I tell stronger riders that they should plan on launching a big attack at some point. The key is that up to that point their race should be boring, so boring it's frustrating, no efforts, barely keeping the legs warm, etc. Then launch when they're ready (or it's the planned lap/spot). After that the race will be really, really, really hard.

As a note I don't see a lot of wind - trees aren't blowing around, numbers/jerseys aren't billowing. It may have been there but it seems that it might have just been the 25-28 mph pace that kept people from doing much. That's normal in Cat 3-4-5 races. The guys who can go 28 mph all day in a small group are the threats but most riders realistically can't do that so they tend to be more conservative.

Overall I think you had a good race. You looked relatively safe, you moved up well when it was quiet or with shelter, you were active at the front, and you seemed to be aware of what was going on around you.
Thanks for taking the time to analyze my race. I appreciate the feedback. I've been told repeatedly that I need to stay back in the pack and conserve. After being told 10 times, I understand, now I just have to implement which is tough but it'll happen. Thanks again.
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Old 05-20-13, 11:03 AM   #366
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If only I could race like carpedienracing. This is a Multicam view.



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Racers, critique my tactics (video)

it's that time of year again. As I get the cameras out and circuit racing, my desire is to get better and better. Last year, this group and forum provided more great training and advice that anywhere else. So, please share your wisdom with me and anybody else who jumps in.

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Those drafting gaps are huge. You need to follow much tighter.
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Those drafting gaps are HUGE. You need to follow much tighter.
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Or you're off to the side not even trying to draft.
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ok, i made it to about 2' before turning off.

1 - as others have said, drafting gaps are huge, if you're going to draft, draft. get tight.

2 - clip in better

3 - how many friggin' cameras do you have out there? and how long does it take you to put them out? less time filming, more time warming up, practicing clipping in

4 - when you yelled "wide, wide, wide" you should have just said, "hey guys, get on my wheel! i'll pull you up to that breakaway!"
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ok, i made it to about 2' before turning off.

1 - as others have said, drafting gaps are huge, if you're going to draft, draft. get tight.

2 - clip in better

3 - how many friggin' cameras do you have out there? and how long does it take you to put them out? less time filming, more time warming up, practicing clipping in

4 - when you yelled "wide, wide, wide" you should have just said, "hey guys, get on my wheel! i'll pull you up to that breakaway!"
a minute longer than me. mute went on after 15"
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Well in addition to the comments above when you Kurt #45756 jumped and you guys caught him you should have countered would have gapped the group in a second.
And **** I wouldn't worry about so much video...
Get out and do some interval training...
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I feel like I've watched this exact same video before.

Didn't you post a video from this crit series last year? If so, go back and read the comments and advice given to you then, because this looks exactly the same as last year with all the same mistakes.
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I feel like I've watched this exact same video before.

Didn't you post a video from this crit series last year? If so, go back and read the comments and advice given to you then, because this looks exactly the same as last year with all the same mistakes.
Hahahahahaha topflight made a funny.....
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1. Practice clipping in from a standing start.
2. Yelling "wide" in a Masters field will get a lot of strange looks. If you have to say anything, say "outside" or "hup".
3. Your "bridge" was not a bridge. You towed the field to the break. If you are going to bridge, you gotta go all out from a strategic position, unless you are just faster than everyone else, which it appears that you are not.
4. Your sphere is huge. Work on that in group rides and more of these practice races. You gotta learn to race tight and close in Masters.
5. You corner very tentatively, getting gapped almost every time, and these corners are not technical at all. Practice.
6. If you go OTF, and you are not blocking for a teammate, then you gotta commit. That means pull. You hung that poor guy out to dry. If you don't have the juice to do your share then don't go OTF.
7. When "Kurt" went, you were right there in a great place to get away, but you accelerated too slowly, once again pulling the field up. Kurt realized this and sat up. It wasn't like they ran out of gas, you neutralized their effort and wasted your own.
8. At the end you made a dangerous move by backing off too hard. If your effort was intended to be a leadout, it didn't work. If you are going to either drive the field or lead out the field, then save a little bit for when you plan on shutting it down, and ease off your speed. It looked to me like you put your brakes on. That's dangerous. If you're so totally gassed that you can't back off nicely, at least put your hand up.

Good luck next time, and please change the music. It sounded like a pron flick.
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