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    My race yesterday, not my footage. I make a couple brief appearances in blue socks/hiviz gloves.

    Attack in the feeling because it says I'll win absolutely.

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    dude needs to de-fog his setup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ygduf View Post
    dude needs to de-fog his setup.
    For real.
    Attack in the feeling because it says I'll win absolutely.

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    Tell him to drop the exposure 1 stop and blast the contrast and clarity. He'll end up with something like this (and that's from a crappy screen capture of the video, his should be much better).


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    That's me with the half-hearted attack about 1:30 into it. I actually learned a lot from watching. 1) Don't attack from the front. 2) Either make it a really hard attack or don't do it. 3) If you feel pretty good, everybody else probably feels that way too. Oh well, that was only my 2nd race so lots to learn. But congrats on the win--my fiancÚ won the women's cat 4 race so I know those trophies were pretty cool--not to mention the jersey.

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    thanks. I'm glad you learned something. I learned a lot from watching these videos before my first race. I'm still learning. I think I remember you. Were you the one who attacked at :43 too? That move was pretty much where the real race began.

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    Yep I'm pretty sure that was me too. The main thing I've gotten from reading threads on here from people who have been racing for a long time is to attack and don't be afraid to make mistakes. So when in doubt, I would give it a shot. Unfortunately none of them worked out. I come from a running background so cycling is very strange to me. It is like an interval workout where you go really hard and then stop and stand there. It was a pretty fun race though. Nice having the whole road to yourself and not having to worry about the yellow line. Already looking forward to next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spectastic View Post
    SO MUCH ROOM FOR ACTIVITIES!

    Shrink your sphere, you're doing a ton of work you don't have to by not getting a draft benefit. Also, I noticed you were dabbing your brakes a lot when you could just as easily slid to one side and moved forward through the massive gaps in the group. You don't have to stay on a wheel when it's slowing down. Use those opportunities to surf up without expending any extra effort!

    Otherwise, good win!
    Attack in the feeling because it says I'll win absolutely.

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    thanks.

    the reason I tapped the brakes instead of moving over is that a lot of times, the rider behind me would cut me out of the pack, and I'd be out in the wind by myself, wasting energy trying to reintegrate. When you say shrink my sphere, do you mean in the beginning of the video when we were going downhill? I'm finding myself having to brake when I'm behind these guys, so I just tuck in and pass them. In the end, I might have let some spaces go, because I was trying to move towards the left of the pack, to try to get out and attack.

    txnovice, I know what you mean. I used to run too, and intervals are completely different.

    btw here's day 2 lol

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    Shrinking your sphere is a CdR term. There is an imaginary sphere around the front of your front wheel (or was it hub? anyway...). If anything gets inside this sphere, you freak out. You want this sphere to be small at normal pack cruising speeds on straight roads (26mph?). It can get a little bigger for big descents and super tight corners, but if your sphere is smaller than everyone else's, it's a huge advantage.

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    ok gotcha. how big should a sphere be given various situations? I think I've read somewhere 6-12 inches in a normal paceline on flats. That seems awfully close to me. If the guy taps on the brakes in front of me, there's very little time for me to adjust. in that final 2 mile straightaway on that cat 5 race, I almost rubbed wheels with one of the guys in front of me, because he suddenly squeezed his brakes. And if I move to the outside, I might clip someone behind me. That's another thing I'm ambivalent about... if I move around too much in a pack, I'm not holding my line, and compromising the riders behind me. If I move too little, I'm saving less energy, and probably compromising a better position in the pack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spectastic View Post
    ok gotcha. how big should a sphere be given various situations? I think I've read somewhere 6-12 inches in a normal paceline on flats. That seems awfully close to me. If the guy taps on the brakes in front of me, there's very little time for me to adjust. in that final 2 mile straightaway on that cat 5 race, I almost rubbed wheels with one of the guys in front of me, because he suddenly squeezed his brakes. And if I move to the outside, I might clip someone behind me. That's another thing I'm ambivalent about... if I move around too much in a pack, I'm not holding my line, and compromising the riders behind me. If I move too little, I'm saving less energy, and probably compromising a better position in the pack.
    Riding close is part of racing: you'll have to get used to it. And the higher up you go, the closer everyone gets. Yes, there's a great deal of trust/faith in fellow riders going on.

    Part of the issue is also: in Cat-5, they do stupid stuff and then everybody panics and screams & yells. In the upper cats, they also do stupid stuff, but they self-correct quickly and other riders don't over-react to it.

    If you move off your line, do so slowly and predictably: never suddenly. Suddenly is when you clip others.

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    Speaking of shrinking your sphere, here's a nice compilation from GoPro:

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaredcasper View Post
    Speaking of shrinking your sphere, here's a nice compilation from GoPro:
    I think it's Bahati's? His vids are crazy, they go so fast, they're tight, etc. I'm really impressed with most of the riders, and I'm glad that Bahati/whoever is filming this stuff. His other stuff is pretty nutty. I love the "breaking the speed limit" (strava KOM hunting) and the "crazy bike crash at full speed".

    I define the Sphere as the area around your front tire and bars (and fork I guess). A foot is good for a 25 mph pace line, 2 feet will work but is a bit big. In corners it's a bit larger, descents much larger. I'm still trying to figure out a quick way of calculating it ("a foot every 10 mph" or whatever). The trick is that I end up closer at higher speeds (in single file lines) because drafting is exponentially more important as speeds increase.

    The tightest I'll get, and this is artificial i.e. I don't do it in a race but I've done it on group rides to riders I trust but who I don't necessarily know, is to get my front tire between the rear derailleur cable housing and the spokes, so my tire is an inch or so from the cassette. I've done this maybe half a dozen times, basically to test myself, at about 20-25 mph.

    To shrink your Sphere you need to be comfortable bumping (see that vid above) but also touching your front tire to other things. You can practice bumping on pavement but touching your front tire will take you down so you need to do that on grass at super slow speeds at first.

    For avoiding stuff you should swerve. This became clear to me when I saw that many crashes happen because someone ends up stopping. It's easier to swerve to avoid a swerving rider but it's really hard to avoid a stopping rider. Thinking about it for a couple years I may brake lightly but I definitely stay off the brakes if I can.

    Also any time you think something might happen (so for me virtually all of any race, any pace line, any time I'm drafting closely) you should be on the drops. It's a general rule - the pros seem to ignore that pretty frequently - but being on the drops will keep your hands from slipping off (usually), it's easier to brake, easier to steer, easier to hang onto your bars.

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    I thought it was Cory, not Bahati. Either way they are both absolute monsters.
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    That was Justin actually, at least from the San Rafael clips (with the umbrellas, and the final twilight sprint).

    As for the sphere, I feel like there basically is no sphere in p/1/2 races. Big crits at least. Bumpin' and bangin' is the name of the game!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsutkeepspining View Post
    I thought it was Cory, not Bahati. Either way they are both absolute monsters.
    Someone elsewhere said Bahati but I thought it wasn't him, especially since I think Bahati goes blowing by in one of the clips!

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    The video was uploaded by Cory Williams (not the football player), but I think he's in some of the shots too so the footage may be from various people.

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    jesus.... since when did cycling become a contact sport???

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    The MRI team all use the cams - the "Breaking the speed limit" clip shows 3 of them (I think, I lost track, maybe it was 4) doing a massive leadout for a KOM. 42 mph on a MUP. View goes from cam to cam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spectastic View Post
    jesus.... since when did cycling become a contact sport???
    Always has been. It's how you handle it. Some can, some can't, and that's why bad stuff happens.

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    Lots of people imagine they but it bares repeating: Get together with a couple of fellow racers and go do bumps on the grass. Get comfortable with what happens when you make contact with other riders and develop a sense about what you will do when it happens. Part of being comfortable with “cycling is a contact sport" is having experience in making contact. The grass is a safe place for this to happen. If you're doing cyclocross right now, that's a perfect spot.

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    My teammate just finished another promo video for the Driveway Series. He got fore/aft GoPros on the P/1/2 series leader's bike for the last race of the season...

    Note: headbutt at 1:43

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    And some really vicious junior's racing with some trash talk:


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