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    Quote Originally Posted by kleinboogie View Post
    Cat 3 - Tour de Murrieta Grand Prix (all laps). It's extended because I included the gap between the break and the field.

    these are great. at the start did they say something about someone being an olympian? in cat 3? maybe i heard that wrong

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    Quote Originally Posted by save10 View Post
    these are great. at the start did they say something about someone being an olympian? in cat 3? maybe i heard that wrong
    It was in Shot Put
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    Quote Originally Posted by save10 View Post
    these are great. at the start did they say something about someone being an olympian? in cat 3? maybe i heard that wrong
    That would be Richard Holec. Ralph got it mixed up. He holds several Jr. BMX championships (not sure if Nationals or Worlds). He's only 16 and hasn't been racing road very long.

    He joins our Saturday ride sometimes and takes some crazy strong pulls on the flats for someone that size. He won't be a 3 very long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by agoodale View Post
    That would be Richard Holec. Ralph got it mixed up. He holds several Jr. BMX championships (not sure if Nationals or Worlds). He's only 16 and hasn't been racing road very long.

    He joins our Saturday ride sometimes and takes some crazy strong pulls on the flats for someone that size. He won't be a 3 very long.
    i see. the highest level BMX guys put out startling power numbers

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    Yeah, I got the finish video and pics https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?...7472213&type=1 I'll get the video up tonight.

    I only got the finish with 1 camera. I'm guessing I was tired.
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    Here's the race footage I referenced in the Race Results thread.


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    75 riders in one small lane, this was a tight pack. Front view coming up when I'm done uploading.


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    Quote Originally Posted by HMF View Post
    Here's the race footage I referenced in the Race Results thread.
    Nice vid and great job bridging up to the break!

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    Highlights from Salisbury RR Cat 4/5. It's my first video so hopefully I'll get better at it.

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    my friend says i suck at drafting
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    Were you actually on a wheel for any of that race?!? Every time you came up on a wheel you went to the side and then lost all kinds of position while staying in the wind the entire race.
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    I think I went to teh side because there was someone there, and I was trying to reintegrate.

    so.. what can I do?
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    Practice. Lots of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spectastic View Post
    so.. what can I do?

    do something totally crazy, such as, riding directly behind the rider in front of you.
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    I can get a little claustrophobic, especially with people on both sides of me
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    change that
    cat 1-o-meter: wtf am i doing??????
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    ^ what he said

    Anyway, didn't look like the field was big enough to have someone on both sides

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    2014 San Dimas Road Race Pro/1 finish (crash)

    What could possibly go wrong with photographers spread across the road 50m past the Pro/1 finish?

    This. Gotta watch it in HD to see it all.


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    Practice, practice, then practice some more. If you think you've done enough...you haven't. Do group rides with your local club if you have one, to get used to riding with people all around you. Ask them for advice, most will be more than willing to help you out. Your "bubble" is huge and you need to work on making that smaller. If you take away anything always remember to relax! If you are tight and always worrying about crashing or someone bumping you, then you are more likely to crash and the bike becomes harder to handle. Start by riding in the back, on the last wheel. This way all you have to do is worry about the person in front of you, if anything you will save tons of energy by doing that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aaronmcd View Post
    ^ what he said

    Anyway, didn't look like the field was big enough to have someone on both sides
    I know I'm just saying. I find myself in situations in other races where I'm handlebar to handlebar with people on both sides, and it's nerve racking to do a corner with that. And I'll try to follow the wheels a little better, and try to get within 12 inches.

    and I'm probably not going to start out at the back of a crit again. it's way harder to move up in a crit than a road race
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    Quote Originally Posted by spectastic View Post
    my friend says i suck at drafting
    You're obviously super strong, like really super strong. There's no way I'd have been able to make those kinds of efforts without blowing up. That first section you saw more wind than I see in an entire hour long crit.

    If your friend tells you something…

    Work on sitting behind someone, even if it's just to the side. "Just to the side" is like 6 inches, not a bike width. It's not "just to the side" if someone else can sit on the wheel.

    Follow some reasonably strong rider for a while, like 2-3-4- laps. When I was new I picked larger (taller and heavier) riders. They tended to be steadier, less peaky, simply because they had more mass and couldn't bounce around like a 90 lbs Junior. Sit on the wheel, focus on sitting pretty close (1-2 feet). With a steady rider you can sit for a while and not worry about getting shelled, not worry about them doing weird stuff. It becomes a pause in your race tactics, sort of like sitting on the trainer for a few laps. When you get a bit tired of sitting on the wheel then do something else.

    *edit You need to look around your marker rider. Look between his knees, over his shoulder, under his arm, depending on where you are. You shouldn't focus on his rear tire, instead focus on what he's seeing. When I was young and dumb I used to tailgate so close I could see out the front car's windshield. I felt that was safer than being a car length behind and not being able to see out their windshield. That's what you need to do when drafting, see what they're seeing. This will let you get closer to your marker and still give you some reaction time to stuff ahead. When you drive you can focus on looking further ahead. Imagine a 6 inch high black stripe painted across the bottom of your windshield. What would you see if that was there? You can practice looking ahead when you're driving, like going around corners, entrance/exit ramps, etc. /*edit

    I sit on the same wheel for laps at a time when the race (for me) is stagnant. If it's all strung out, if there are no gaps, then it's tactically stagnant. If there's a break then it's tactically stagnant for me (since I can't chase effectively I have to wait). Etc. Basically if you're not trying to move up, if you don't need to be at the front, then the race is tactically stagnant for you. For me most of the race is stagnant. When I'm weak it's literally all stagnant except a lap or two. When I'm strong I might be active as much as 5-10 laps of a 30 lap race. "Active" means anything from moving up to attacking to chasing to positioning for the sprint to sprinting.

    From about 7:30 to about 8:30 in this clip I'm on a particular rider's wheel. Someone told me he won Masters Crit Nationals but he races as a "guest" of the host team (family? friends?), borrows a jersey, so no stripes to confirm. At any rate I followed him because I trusted his riding. I think a BF member from the SoCal area could probably tell us who he is, he races for a team from SoCal. In this clip I had a front derailleur cable go so I was stuck in my 39T so I really never pulled through, just followed. I doubt anyone knew I was stuck in my small ring and the guy I was following for that clip minute did a hard swerve to show his displeasure in me following him.

    In this clip I make a point of saying that I follow wheels for a bit. There are examples that I put in. Normally I'd leave those examples out because it's boring to watch me sit on one guy's wheel but in this clip I tried to illustrate the concept that it's okay to sit on a wheel for a few laps. I follow a guy Kevin from about 5:15 to 6:15. I drop off the wheel because the two riders to my sides were actually son (left) and father (right) and I wasn't sure if the son wanted to talk to his dad. The son had made some motions, looking, etc, and I thought that he wanted to talk to his dad. I let the son in, just in case. Ends up he didn't talk to his dad, it was more that I think he wanted to make sure he had room in the corner. If the son hadn't done those things I'd have stayed on Kevin's wheel.

    Another thing that's critical is being able to hear. You can hear a lot of stuff to the sides. I didn't realize this until I was super uncomfortable in the field at a race several years ago. I couldn't believe it, how nervous I was, and I thought maybe this was a sign that I had to quit racing. With a few laps to go I was getting hot - I'd over dressed - and finally managed to uncover my ears. Suddenly I felt fine in the field again. I realized that when I couldn't hear I got nervous because I had no peripheral "sense" beyond my peripheral vision. When I uncovered my ears I was fine again.

    Bumping drills will really make you much better. That friend that offered the comment on drafting? Ask the friend to do some bumping drills. Just ride down the road, slowly (39x21, not spinning too hard, ride the brakes if you have to) and then practice bumping. Don't bump your bars or your hands or your wrists. Bump your forearm, elbow, triceps, shoulder. Your hand/bars need to be under your control. The other stuff can absorb the outside pushing forces from your friend. You can do this when you're warming up for a crit even, it's a really low key, really low effort thing. 15-20 minutes at a time, 3-5 times, and I bet you'll be much more comfortable with riders close to you side-to-side.

    Hope this helps.

    cdr
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    Quote Originally Posted by carpediemracing View Post
    You're obviously super strong, like really super strong. There's no way I'd have been able to make those kinds of efforts without blowing up. That first section you saw more wind than I see in an entire hour long crit.

    If your friend tells you something…

    Work on sitting behind someone, even if it's just to the side. "Just to the side" is like 6 inches, not a bike width. It's not "just to the side" if someone else can sit on the wheel.

    Follow some reasonably strong rider for a while, like 2-3-4- laps. When I was new I picked larger (taller and heavier) riders. They tended to be steadier, less peaky, simply because they had more mass and couldn't bounce around like a 90 lbs Junior. Sit on the wheel, focus on sitting pretty close (1-2 feet). With a steady rider you can sit for a while and not worry about getting shelled, not worry about them doing weird stuff. It becomes a pause in your race tactics, sort of like sitting on the trainer for a few laps. When you get a bit tired of sitting on the wheel then do something else.

    *edit You need to look around your marker rider. Look between his knees, over his shoulder, under his arm, depending on where you are. You shouldn't focus on his rear tire, instead focus on what he's seeing. When I was young and dumb I used to tailgate so close I could see out the front car's windshield. I felt that was safer than being a car length behind and not being able to see out their windshield. That's what you need to do when drafting, see what they're seeing. This will let you get closer to your marker and still give you some reaction time to stuff ahead. When you drive you can focus on looking further ahead. Imagine a 6 inch high black stripe painted across the bottom of your windshield. What would you see if that was there? You can practice looking ahead when you're driving, like going around corners, entrance/exit ramps, etc. /*edit

    I sit on the same wheel for laps at a time when the race (for me) is stagnant. If it's all strung out, if there are no gaps, then it's tactically stagnant. If there's a break then it's tactically stagnant for me (since I can't chase effectively I have to wait). Etc. Basically if you're not trying to move up, if you don't need to be at the front, then the race is tactically stagnant for you. For me most of the race is stagnant. When I'm weak it's literally all stagnant except a lap or two. When I'm strong I might be active as much as 5-10 laps of a 30 lap race. "Active" means anything from moving up to attacking to chasing to positioning for the sprint to sprinting.

    From about 7:30 to about 8:30 in this clip I'm on a particular rider's wheel. Someone told me he won Masters Crit Nationals but he races as a "guest" of the host team (family? friends?), borrows a jersey, so no stripes to confirm. At any rate I followed him because I trusted his riding. I think a BF member from the SoCal area could probably tell us who he is, he races for a team from SoCal. In this clip I had a front derailleur cable go so I was stuck in my 39T so I really never pulled through, just followed. I doubt anyone knew I was stuck in my small ring and the guy I was following for that clip minute did a hard swerve to show his displeasure in me following him.

    In this clip I make a point of saying that I follow wheels for a bit. There are examples that I put in. Normally I'd leave those examples out because it's boring to watch me sit on one guy's wheel but in this clip I tried to illustrate the concept that it's okay to sit on a wheel for a few laps. I follow a guy Kevin from about 5:15 to 6:15. I drop off the wheel because the two riders to my sides were actually son (left) and father (right) and I wasn't sure if the son wanted to talk to his dad. The son had made some motions, looking, etc, and I thought that he wanted to talk to his dad. I let the son in, just in case. Ends up he didn't talk to his dad, it was more that I think he wanted to make sure he had room in the corner. If the son hadn't done those things I'd have stayed on Kevin's wheel.

    Another thing that's critical is being able to hear. You can hear a lot of stuff to the sides. I didn't realize this until I was super uncomfortable in the field at a race several years ago. I couldn't believe it, how nervous I was, and I thought maybe this was a sign that I had to quit racing. With a few laps to go I was getting hot - I'd over dressed - and finally managed to uncover my ears. Suddenly I felt fine in the field again. I realized that when I couldn't hear I got nervous because I had no peripheral "sense" beyond my peripheral vision. When I uncovered my ears I was fine again.

    Bumping drills will really make you much better. That friend that offered the comment on drafting? Ask the friend to do some bumping drills. Just ride down the road, slowly (39x21, not spinning too hard, ride the brakes if you have to) and then practice bumping. Don't bump your bars or your hands or your wrists. Bump your forearm, elbow, triceps, shoulder. Your hand/bars need to be under your control. The other stuff can absorb the outside pushing forces from your friend. You can do this when you're warming up for a crit even, it's a really low key, really low effort thing. 15-20 minutes at a time, 3-5 times, and I bet you'll be much more comfortable with riders close to you side-to-side.

    Hope this helps.

    cdr
    much appreciated
    5/20

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    Quote Originally Posted by spectastic View Post
    much appreciated

    Some people are more risk-averse than others. I was/am like you. I hate being directly behind someone. I'm always 6" off to one side or another (try to make it wind-sheltered sides), but I've gotten a little better at it as I moved up categories. When I went from 4 to 3s, I HAD to change how close I rode as suddenly I was losing my wheel over and over and over. Took me a few races, but I got (nearer) there.

    If you just make it one of the conscious thoughts you consider during the race, you'll do a better job. There's no secret to it, other than to do it and let it become more familiar.

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