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Old 12-08-14, 05:05 AM
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Hey rides them straight of his wheel! What a powerhouse!

Last spring I had a some what similar finish at an (non-competetive, i.e. no prices) event of 150km with about 200 participants and 30 riders or so that were going hard for the (honorary) win. Finish was on top of a dune-road, slight gradient of 3-4%. I was behind a guy that just blew everyone away, I couldn't even be mad so strong was he. I was side-by-side with two others who also had no chance to follow him and I ended up third.

It so impressive to see that kind of explosive power being generated in person.
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Originally Posted by tetonrider
did you do the stuff from moose cross and the boise/waffle cross stuff, too? if so, your work is really nice. clearly a bunch of effort went into the editing.

(do people say "we've"? )
YES! Same guy. Thanks. They are fun. I am looking at a way to do something similar during the RR/Crit season and tell the bigger story. The race is only part.

We've been talking about the use of contractions lately, but we'vent made any decisions yet.
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Originally Posted by furiousferret
Awesome videos CDR. You're like this delicate bottle of nitroglycerin that teammates have to carry during the race. Sometimes its blows up early, but on a perfect day they light it up 200m to the finish, and watch the fireworks. Bravo.
just noticed this. what an image! well-said.
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Originally Posted by The Domestique
YES! Same guy. Thanks. They are fun. I am looking at a way to do something similar during the RR/Crit season and tell the bigger story. The race is only part.

We've been talking about the use of contractions lately, but we'vent made any decisions yet.
your videos are great--you clearly spend a bunch of time on them.

"we've to move up" just struck me as pretty funny.
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This is a short Puppy Doge focused edit of a 2/3 race some of his junior team entered today. Turned out the field had a lot of hungry talent looking for points. Puppy is new to Cat 2 crits so we weren't sure how it would go. Anyway the technique of letting the break form and bridging that works well for him in juniors works better with big groups / Cat 2 races. He's the left of the picture on the start line.
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looks like he took it? nice!
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@mattm please give me your thoughts on this somewhat new technique for puppy. Other than the junior gear part I think it applies to any smaller fitter rider in a Crit against bigger faster riders. That being - wait for the break to establish, THEN bridge up.

I never raced at that level and if I did - I was too big (even lean) for it to matter.
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Originally Posted by Doge
@mattm please give me your thoughts on this somewhat new technique for puppy. Other than the junior gear part I think it applies to any smaller fitter rider in a Crit against bigger faster riders. That being - wait for the break to establish, THEN bridge up.

I never raced at that level and if I did - I was too big (even lean) for it to matter.
I'll be Matt for a second. I think he played it the right way. I have a friend who put out 1700+ watts on junior gears so that shouldn't be a limitation.

His strategy was good because to be honest guys like me would rather sit and wait for a really fast high power sprint then to be in a break and sprint from there. Fact is I can use my size and power to push little guys like Puppy Doge around.
I struggle with smaller guys because they can use their size advantage to sit in with a better effect and it takes less for them to accelerate then it does for a bigger guy.
All in all I think he played to his strengths and did awesome.
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I appreciate the kind words and you being Matt for a moment. While I truly am an egotistical parent, as any parent understands, I also am looking for those small pieces of advice that might change things for next time. On this course and last weeks, junior gear do not matter. We have a course around here (Ontario) where the finish is on a .5% downgrade. It is always in the 40s and sometimes upper 40s. There is no data I am aware of that shown max power in the 140-170RPM range for anyone any age. the 2nd part of that is if I can get a rider to develop max power at 150RPM (which I don't believe I can) I also believe that their max power would be lower than if they focused on it being around 120RPM. And as this is all over in 1-2 years, it seems like a rather useless - we just have to play along - endeavor.
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I had a big reply typed up but then BF went down.. anyway, pretty much what waki said.

And also what I was gonna say is that just because it worked this time, doesn't mean it will in some other race. Even if the same guys lined up tomorrow the race would most likely finish differently.

Sometimes bridging is the right move (if it's the winning break, which is always a big if); sometimes it'll be the Nth break that works, and bridging to anything else is just wasted energy.

Sometimes if you wait too long, bridging is really hard if not impossible (like when the break is going to lap the field). In this case it was a relatively small gap, so everything worked out.

The other thing I was gonna say is that if anything I should be taking advice from Puppy Doge, not the other way around!
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Originally Posted by mattm
...if anything I should be taking advice from Puppy Doge, not the other way around!
We'll your giving advice to dad that has to go to someone else to get to Puppy. I'm sure he'd take it directly from you too - just not me. He'll take cash directly from me.

When my 16 year old sees a 58 year old Gibby Hatton holding his own in that fairly high quality (race predictor) race, he knows its more than just W/kg to racing. In that video - we had Roy Knickman (guy in black T-Shirt) too giving advice to his kid (and mine) too.

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I think he played it well. That was a dangerous break that appeared to be gaining. Nice attack up the left side to get the gap and take the clean line through the corner. Even though the field caught up he stayed up front and took a nice line through the final corner.
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Old 12-17-14, 10:37 AM
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Same race - video from a rider in the break.

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On bike footage from the SuperCrit down in Australia:

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I prefer the rear facing camera. A bit in-your-face.
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Originally Posted by Doge
I prefer the rear facing camera. A bit in-your-face.
i like multiple angles and appreciate when there are perspectives off the bike -- or from another's bike a la those shimano lead-out train videos.

always cool IMO to see this stuff from the pro perspective. i think that it would be cool if every pro in the TdF had a camera mounted on their bike, and if viewers could switch the feed they are watching, live.
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I'd like to see the NCC Elite fields with on bike cameras and jumbotrons on every corner. At every event.
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A reason to not change the bike weights - although I do not think they matter in NCC races.
Still the work is in the editing. I try to get video from several sources and use it - but its hard. Often I get the video a week after the event.
@shovelhd - two years ago a SoCal junior state crit championship was overturned several days later based on finish video I had and posted. The official video was all across the course - I had video shooting down the course.
The guy raising his arms for the win was DQ'd and later with video was given the win.
https://vimeo.com/41713726
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Originally Posted by Doge
A reason to not change the bike weights - although I do not think they matter in NCC races.
Still the work is in the editing. I try to get video from several sources and use it - but its hard. Often I get the video a week after the event.
@shovelhd - two years ago a SoCal junior state crit championship was overturned several days later based on finish video I had and posted. The official video was all across the course - I had video shooting down the course.
The guy raising his arms for the win was DQ'd and later with video was given the win.
https://vimeo.com/41713726
interesting that they'd overturn it. i figured if it didn't come up immediately after the race then it's over. cool that you had the key footage. was it your boy that got screwed?
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It was not my kid (but he's a next season teammate). I did not do anything but post that clip. As kids were involved all kinds of parents got the Facebook thing going and judges overturned it.
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Well, not a race. I didn't see where to put this - so here with race videos. This is a quick edit of 4 days riding in Tuscany. Off to Barcelona tomorrow. Got the whole family following Puppy on rides now.
https://vimeo.com/115588532
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Originally Posted by Doge
Well, not a race. I didn't see where to put this - so here with race videos. [/video]
the 41, perhaps?
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Originally Posted by shovelhd
I'd like to see the NCC Elite fields with on bike cameras and jumbotrons on every corner. At every event.
The Harlem race with Jumbotrons was much more compelling than those without them. It was cool to see the lower cats race on it as well - you never see live stuff for a whole lap for, say, the Cat 4s. I couldn't see myself in the 3s but the Missus said it was fun to watch.

If Rock Racing did anything with all the footage they grabbed that day I don't know about it. They had (stationary) cameras at least at all the corners plus two cameras on Tyler and one camera on most of the other riders. A RR guy was going around with a bazillion black water bottles (battery packs) and cameras. Tyler carried two bottles, I think one other guy did also, most of their riders carried one bottle. It's the year the guy that won crashed after he threw his bike at the line.
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Hey carpediemracing, I believe you are/were a Dashware user. With Dashware seemingly disappeared from the face of the earth, what are you using now for data overlays on video's.

This is a question really for everyone here.

Note: I don't really know if they are out of business, but they are not selling their product anymore, the Gauge download pages are blocked and they last posted on their "Official" Facebook page on October 29th.
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Early Bird 1/2/3's crit from last weekend, a team mate made this vid.

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Somehow none of my awesome attacks were caught on film, but @Ygduf makes some cameos (green shoe covers). Team mate got 2nd in the field sprint (one guy up the road).
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