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Old 08-14-11, 05:16 PM   #1
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Rim recommendations

Recently I taco'd my front wheel and I'm contemplating getting it rebuilt (the hub has <1 year on it, and its still good).

This is the taco'd wheel --> http://tinyurl.com/3jtopqf
Runs about 280 usd online. I'm estimating the rebuild cost to be ~200.

I'm currently rim shopping and was wondering if there are any good rim recommendations? It is a 20 hole hub, and I'd like something (close) to a 24mm depth. Al clincher too.

Also I was contemplating just buying a new front wheel, then building up a second set of wheels with my old hub, and a power tap (this would make 2 sets of "race worthy" wheels for me). Would strongly consider making this a tubeless set up as well.

Only kicker is that I'd really like a quarq instead of a PT, however the PT is looking like a better financial decision these days.

Which makes me wonder, can a power tap hub accomodate bladed spokes? I'm guessing no...

FWIW I do race, but I was afraid of the answers I'd find in the 41. Thanks!
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Old 08-14-11, 08:54 PM   #2
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kinlin xr-300
it isn't tubeless, but it's the best day in day out rim there is.
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Thanks. I was looking at the DT swiss 585, but was a bit bummed about the weight. It doesn't match, but the kinlin is exactly what I am looking for.
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The Stan's No Tubes rim is really nice, even if you don't run it tubeless. Also the Kinlin rims seem to get pretty good reviews, and come in 24mm, 27mm and 30mm depths
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Ordered the kinlin xr-300
If I like it enough I may just build up a PT wheel around that rim later this winter

According to the weight calculator I could build up a PT wheel set with the kinlin rims and a SL+ for sub 1800 grams. Thats not too bad right?
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I literally just laced up some Kinlin XR300s to my powertap SL and Shimano WH front hub. Just a shade under 1800 grams without rim tape or skewers. I then cut some custom stickers with my vinyl cutter and stuck them on the back wheel just to try them out. Im really happy with the build, it only cost me like 150 bucks to upgrade and I got a lighter, more aero, and more durable wheelset.


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Which makes me wonder, can a power tap hub accomodate bladed spokes? I'm guessing no...
Most of the aero spokes that can be purchased separately are intended to be used with any hub that can take standard spokes. Probably the most popular option available is the Sapim CX-Ray spoke. DT Swiss also makes an aero spoke, and I know for a fact that it can be used with any normal hub, including a PT. So, if you want aero spokes, you can use them, just don't expect massive bladed spokes - think linguini, not fetuccini.
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kindablue, i had a XR300 laced to 28H SL+ using CX-Ray spokes. The wheel came in at 1030g.

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I literally just laced up some Kinlin XR300s to my powertap SL and Shimano WH front hub. Just a shade under 1800 grams without rim tape or skewers. I then cut some custom stickers with my vinyl cutter and stuck them on the back wheel just to try them out. Im really happy with the build, it only cost me like 150 bucks to upgrade and I got a lighter, more aero, and more durable wheelset.

dude, gotta go all the way and switch to pink shifter hoods. I know i am.
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I literally just laced up some Kinlin XR300s to my powertap SL and Shimano WH front hub. Just a shade under 1800 grams without rim tape or skewers. I then cut some custom stickers with my vinyl cutter and stuck them on the back wheel just to try them out. Im really happy with the build, it only cost me like 150 bucks to upgrade and I got a lighter, more aero, and more durable wheelset.

BTW, they felt A LOT like the Boyd wheels in the background. And at $500 with CX rays and sub 1500g, they're a steal. http://www.boydcycling.com/30mm-vitesse/
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I'd bet dollars to donuts that those boyd wheels use the kinlin xr-300 rim.
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I'd bet dollars to donuts that those boyd wheels use the kinlin xr-300 rim.
they most certainly are.

at $500, they aren't that much of a bargain as you can get similarly spec'ed wheels using White Industry hubs for not much more.
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they most certainly are.

at $500, they aren't that much of a bargain as you can get similarly spec'ed wheels using White Industry hubs for not much more.
I don't know what the hubs are, but they spun smooth, and still build up to <1500g. I've never actually ridden White Industry hubs so I cant comment on their value.
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Are the Kinlin XR300s deep enough to have any aero benefit ? I need to build some wheels too, to replace a crashed American Classic CR420. I'd like something aero, but all the carbon rims are $700+ each, and all the AL rims are fairly shallow (like me).
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Are the Kinlin XR300s deep enough to have any aero benefit ? I need to build some wheels too, to replace a crashed American Classic CR420. I'd like something aero, but all the carbon rims are $700+ each, and all the AL rims are fairly shallow (like me).
there's the kinlin xr380. 550g/rim, at least it's deeper than the DT Swiss 1.2
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there's the kinlin xr380. 550g/rim, at least it's deeper than the DT Swiss 1.2
That's pretty friggin heavy for a rim.
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It's about the same as a Zipp 303 clincher was a couple years ago at the same depth. For reference, a H plus Son SL42 (42mm deep) rim is 615 grams. Both seem to have done what they can to get the weight out of them, but you have to accept that they're made from aluminum, not carbon.
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There is no magic number (or speed for that matter) where aero gains suddently become significant. A 30mm rim is going to be more aerodynamic than a 20mm one, and less so than a 40mm one.
Of the available aluminum rims, there is almost always a big jump in weight as soon as you go deeper than 30mm. One notable exception is the american classic 420 aero 3, which is 34mm deep, but not available (as far as I know) as a rim.

Everybody's goal is go get the best wheel with the money they have. Of course "best" encompasses aerodynamics, weight, and durability. For most applications out there, however, the kinlin xr-300 seems to be the answer. At least until you hit the price point where carbon is in the picture. They are aerodynamic, reasonably light, and reasonably strong. For the price, it's hard to find a better rim, and with aptly selected hubs & spokes, it's hard to find a better wheel.
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with the XR380, you can get

2 rims, 550g each. 1100g
Light weight front hubset (from novatech). 300g
44 CX-ray spokes. 200g
Brass nipples. 45g

1650g, which is basically a more stout Soul 4.0 wheelset
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no rear hub?

oh, and noob, quit lacing your own wheels, just have the shop do it to begin with.
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again, everybody's priorities are different, but the 380 weighs 100g more than the 300, and costs twice as much.
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oh, and noob, quit lacing your own wheels, just have the shop do it to begin with.
Me? I'll have a shop build them up for me. I would like to be able to build wheels, but thats a project for another year...
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is your name the noob?
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no rear hub?

oh, and noob, quit lacing your own wheels, just have the shop do it to begin with.

Building your own set of wheels is good for the soul. I'm slow as hell at it (I don't think Psimet loses any sleep about my wheelbuilding prowess), but I kind of enjoy it.
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Building your own set of wheels is good for the soul. I'm slow as hell at it (I don't think Psimet loses any sleep about my wheelbuilding prowess), but I kind of enjoy it.
+1. Took me 6hrs to do my first wheel, and i loved every second of it.
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no rear hub?

oh, and noob, quit lacing your own wheels, just have the shop do it to begin with.
I enjoyed it. But Shawn G did most of the work.
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