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Old 09-04-11, 09:38 AM   #1
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ways to determine max hart rate so i can set up zones for training

Im trying to fun way to determine my max heart rate so that I can program my bontrager node1 for training zones. I have only used the hr strap for 3 rides. My max so far is 215, it wasn't in a sprint but super hard effort. My age is 32 im 5'7" 149. Any advice
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Old 09-04-11, 09:52 AM   #2
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215 is suspiciously high. Make sure it's not anomalous before using it as your max.

I'm pretty sure the best way to hit max HR is to do 30 s on at max effort, 30 s off intervals for as long as you can until you fall over. your HR when you fall over is your max.
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Old 09-04-11, 10:09 AM   #3
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He wants a "fun" way to determine MHR. Unless he and I have grossly different definitions of "fun" I think he's out of luck.
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Set training zones by Lactate Threshold Heart Rate, not max heart rate. Do a 30 minute TT, take the average heart rate of the last 20 minutes, and that is a good approximation of your LTHR.
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No. I just want th different ways. I don mind dying while tryig to fin out as im realy trying to do some hard intervals these next 4 to 6 weeks.

When u say suspicously high mhr what exactly are you saying.
is there a problem with the monitor?
Is it not position on me correctly?
Could I be extremely out of shape?
what would cause a heart rate that high? Am I working to hard?
When I strap it to my chest area if I don't make th area under it mosit will that affect it?
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No. I just want th different ways. I don mind dying while tryig to fin out as im realy trying to do some hard intervals these next 4 to 6 weeks.

When u say suspicously high mhr what exactly are you saying.
is there a problem with the monitor?
Is it not position on me correctly?
Could I be extremely out of shape?
what would cause a heart rate that high? Am I working to hard?
When I strap it to my chest area if I don't make th area under it mosit will that affect it?
I've had a loose fitting jersey cause static electricity and my HR subsequently went crazy - into the low 200's when I know the highest I've ever seen is 189.

YMMV
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James, a more typical MHR for a 32 year old would be around 190 or so. That doesn't mean that it's impossible for yours to be higher - at your age my MHR was about 215 - but it is somewhat unusual and deserves to be verified.
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Determining Max Heart Rate has little value, because it is highly variable on a day to day basis.
Buy the Cyclist's Training Bible (Friel) and do the test protocol to determine your Lactate Threshold Heart Rate.

While all heart rate zones are variable and "finicky" when compared to power based zones, your LTHR is much more reproducible and thus a more valuable metric.

I have been training with heart rate zones based upon my LTHR for about 4 years now and it works just fine for me.
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Could it have anything to do with my past distance running where i was running 4:13 for the mile and sub 15 minutes 5000m. Is it possible that tha endurance athlete have higher tolerance for a higher maximum heart rate?
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James, a more typical MHR for a 32 year old would be around 190 or so. That doesn't mean that it's impossible for yours to be higher - at your age my MHR was about 215 - but it is somewhat unusual and deserves to be verified.
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I've had a loose fitting jersey cause static electricity and my HR subsequently went crazy - into the low 200's when I know the highest I've ever seen is 189.

YMMV
my jersey is loose fitting probally from the weight lose i have when i started riding. I had a stress test done 10 months ago at the doctors where i got onto treadmill and you know the rest of the details. I did outstanding he said way better than average. I told him thats good since I hadnt run a race or trained for one in 10 years
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Could it have anything to do with my past distance running where i was running 4:13 for the mile and sub 15 minutes 5000m. Is it possible that tha endurance athlete have higher tolerance for a higher maximum heart rate?
Dunno. I think the consensus is that MHR is primarily genetic, but the consensus about exercise physiology is constantly changing. I personally think we put too much emphasis on "training by the numbers" with all our gadgets - especially considering how many "expert" opinions there are on how to (and not to) do it - but I may just be old.
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A loose fitting jersey can flap against the HRM and cause an abnormally high reading. I'm 53 years old. When I see over 200 on the Garmin I know that's why. My max HR is 192 (hit it once, hit 191 twice) and LTHR is between 175-185. LTHR is highly affected by fatigue, heat, humidity, food intake, hydration, etc. It's very valuable to me when used in a relative sense along with RPE. I train with power, HR, and RPE, and race with HR and RPE.
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Well I would start by warming up for 25 minutes, then do 5 minutes of tempo, then turn around, go home, go online and buy a power meter.
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Old 09-04-11, 07:57 PM   #14
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powermeters are overrated.

How to find your mhr: go as hard as you can. When you feel like you're going to die, go harder. Keep going. A little more.

There you go. That's your mhr. But as others have said, it is better SOP to use your LT hr to set up training zones.
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Old 09-05-11, 01:30 PM   #15
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Powermeters may be overrated if you don't use them properly, but I can say they are much much more accurate gauge of your effort then HR. I can drink a bottle of water or an energy drink and watch m heart rate drop 5 bpm per the same effort and speed.
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I mean, yeah. But I don't really use HR anymore either. Perceived Effort > your face.

edit: I also don't think power is $1000+ greater than simply using HR. If you understand how to gauge effort and have an HRM I think that's enough for just about everyone.

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I got my powertap for $400 and is built into a ~1700 gram training wheelset, nothing fancy at all and works perfectly.

I dont even really care about the numbers while Im doing my intervals. My powertap is really only good for helping me make sure I don't go hard on my easy days/weeks and for planning form.
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I also don't think power is $1000+ greater than simply using HR.
I do.

The list of benefits vs. PE or and HRM is as long as a Schleck TT.
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I do.

The list of benefits vs. PE or and HRM is as long as a Schleck TT.
+1

Prevent overtraining
Getting exactly the workout you want
Planning On bike and post ride nutrition.....
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Prevent overtraining
Getting exactly the workout you want
Planning On bike and post ride nutrition.....
Yeah, in the bad old days we had to actually think about those things. It was awful.
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Incorrect.

(That is the appropriate response, right? I don't spend much time on this subforum...)
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Here is the best test I've found:

Ride at a pace you can maintain for ~5 min, it should be pretty hard. Ride past someones house that has a dog with rabies. Sprint for ~20 seconds to avoid getting bit by the dog. Look at your max HR and it should be pretty close.

Or just do the sensible thing and test your lactate threshold heart rate.
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To get max HR just ride as hard as you can until you die...then subtract 1. Or just ride for a few months and take the highest number you see.

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Powermeters may be overrated if you don't use them properly, but I can say they are much much more accurate gauge of your effort then HR. I can drink a bottle of water or an energy drink and watch m heart rate drop 5 bpm per the same effort and speed.
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I do.
As do I, but it's a tool. Like any tool, it's only as good as the person using it.
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