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01-05-12, 02:38 PM
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01-05-12, 03:43 PM
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Personally I'd like to see the following: a ten race minimum for 5 -> 4 (and a discount for Cat 5 races since there is no prize money). Crashing in a race means the start didn't count. Causing somebody else to crash in the race means the start didn't count and two additional starts are required. No Cat 5's in Masters.
01-05-12, 03:47 PM
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That's one good solution. Okay we're getting closer to solving the problem of Masters racing. So to the original poster who is a new 55 year old racer, and asking which field to enter, we'd say, "Race in the only field you're eligible for, the Cat 5's". Based on my experience in WA State and more locally in Spokane, this might be a hard sell. But I'm going to talk to some of the WSBA people and see what they think about that change.
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01-05-12, 09:56 PM
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Because they don't have to adhere to USAC rules. They think their situation is better for everyone. I say they're wrong. Very wrong.
01-05-12, 09:58 PM
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01-05-12, 10:38 PM
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01-05-12, 10:44 PM
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01-05-12, 11:08 PM
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Debusama,
Yeah, I know what you're saying. In areas with smaller fields, often the Masters are grouped with the new riders. The reason is that it's more important to group riders of similar ability and speed than it is to group riders of similar racing age and experience. Therefor we group the 40+ racers with Cat 4/5. The Twilight Series groups 55+ with the "C Pack". Can you suggest a better way to do it, consider the 40+ or 50+ field is only 10-15 racers?
Yeah, I know what you're saying. In areas with smaller fields, often the Masters are grouped with the new riders. The reason is that it's more important to group riders of similar ability and speed than it is to group riders of similar racing age and experience. Therefor we group the 40+ racers with Cat 4/5. The Twilight Series groups 55+ with the "C Pack". Can you suggest a better way to do it, consider the 40+ or 50+ field is only 10-15 racers?
If I sounded like I was being critical of the way you do things, that wasn't my intent. I was simply suggesting to the OP that he get a few practice races under his belt as nobody wants to be the "the squirrely guy" in the race pack. I know you can't split everything up into a bunch of 5-person packs. I'm 31, so I race as a cat-4. I personally like racing with the 4/5 40+ in one pack because it rewards the strongest cat-4s and allows me to race with teammates who are over 40. I know you have to do things differently in less populated areas. You guys do a fantastic job making bike racing happen In Eastern Wa. I'll see you at RVP.
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01-06-12, 08:47 AM
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I just thought I'd give an all around "Thanks" to the various promotors here. Despite the disagreements over details, I appreciate the fact that you guys put on races at all.
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01-07-12, 12:23 AM
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01-07-12, 09:29 PM
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Mike,
If I sounded like I was being critical of the way you do things, that wasn't my intent. I was simply suggesting to the OP that he get a few practice races under his belt as nobody wants to be the "the squirrely guy" in the race pack. I know you can't split everything up into a bunch of 5-person packs. I'm 31, so I race as a cat-4. I personally like racing with the 4/5 40+ in one pack because it rewards the strongest cat-4s and allows me to race with teammates who are over 40. I know you have to do things differently in less populated areas. You guys do a fantastic job making bike racing happen In Eastern Wa. I'll see you at RVP.
If I sounded like I was being critical of the way you do things, that wasn't my intent. I was simply suggesting to the OP that he get a few practice races under his belt as nobody wants to be the "the squirrely guy" in the race pack. I know you can't split everything up into a bunch of 5-person packs. I'm 31, so I race as a cat-4. I personally like racing with the 4/5 40+ in one pack because it rewards the strongest cat-4s and allows me to race with teammates who are over 40. I know you have to do things differently in less populated areas. You guys do a fantastic job making bike racing happen In Eastern Wa. I'll see you at RVP.
Thanks. We're used to these discussions. It's been my experience that anytime you have a group of people passionate about a sport/hobby/lifestyle/profession or whatever, there are going to be strong feelings and opinions about every aspect of how it's done.
01-08-12, 09:22 AM
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For a staggered start road race, sure. If the field sizes won't support it, OK. But for a circuit race or criterium with only one field on the course at a time, it's totally reasonable to allow a Cat1-4 Master to race both the Masters race and the Cat4/5 field if they choose to.
01-08-12, 10:06 AM
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For the 200+ races that occur within a two hour radius of here I've yet to hear of dilemma such as this arising.
01-08-12, 10:37 AM
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01-08-12, 11:14 AM
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01-08-12, 03:43 PM
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For a staggered start road race, sure. If the field sizes won't support it, OK. But for a circuit race or criterium with only one field on the course at a time, it's totally reasonable to allow a Cat1-4 Master to race both the Masters race and the Cat4/5 field if they choose to.
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01-08-12, 03:53 PM
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01-08-12, 05:04 PM
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Yeah, of course people can always do more than one race as long as they're eligible and if the the scheduling allows for it. What I meant was that we will no longer combine the Masters field with the Cat 4/5 field as we had in the past. They'll have separate start times.