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Old 12-19-04, 06:29 AM   #1
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Question about UCI weight limits

I am going to race road this next season after many years of riding/racing XC MTB. One of my road bikes is well under 15 lbs. I will not be pro, obviously, but I am wondering with the UCI weight limit set at 15 lbs, how closely do they enforce that rule. Would I ever be in jeopardy of any kind of discipline. For instance say I won a race, or came in top 3, could I have that stripped from me? Or does anybody even care in the amatuer ranks?
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Old 12-19-04, 06:48 AM   #2
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I am curious, considering that professionals ride the lightest and best stuff, unless you are like four feet tall and ride a 45 cm frame how you have your bike "well under 15 pounds"? If you look at the link on the ECI auction (the Oscar, San Remo thread), you will see that the Giro winner rides a 45cm bike and it's just over the legal limit.
But I am curious...

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This was not why I posted but here goes...............Do professionals ride the lightest stuff? Who says that? The best stuff, maybe. The lightest? That is incorrect. Professionals ride what they are given for the most part. Is dura ace and record the lightest? HELL NO!

I just bought a Pinarello prince (Full Dura ace) (55cm) I am 5'9". It is right at the 16 lb mark. I am today putting the parts from my other bike (lemond) on the Pinarello, mostly to see how light i can make it, and to flip the dura ace group onto the lemond. My steel LeMond will then be a "heavier" training bike at nearly 17 lbs, the Pinarello will be around 14.5 lbs. For the record my 853 LeMond is 15.4 lbs, with a steel frame. If I did just a wheel and crankset swap the Pinarello will probably hit 15 lbs.

Parts include Storck power arms crankset, White Ind. Ti B.B., cinelli ram bars, Zero Gravity brakes, nokon cables, Hugi hubs w/ti spokes on open pro rims, SLR seat, Ti speedplays, ti bolt kit, ti bottle cages, supersonic tires. These weights have all been verified, so i'm not blowing smoke out my ass. this Pinarello will definately be under 15lbs. Although I am not putting the power arms Ti B.B. on the Pinarello, I have a FSA carbon and a new dura ace bb to go on.

I answered your question, can you answer mine please?
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Old 12-19-04, 09:57 AM   #4
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I asked the question as I was curious, and I wanted to see the emotional level of your response...

If you are asking if they will weigh your bike at a CATV or a citizen's 20 mile crit, no. Unless you are obviously cheating, you will probably not get called on it...

However, if you win with an illegal bike and don't get caught, I guess you can live with that.

CATV racers are trying to learn how to race. I did some officiating and raced at the CATII level, but the skill level of V's is such that it really does not matter.

If you get caught riding an illegal bike, then you'll have to deal with your fellow racers at future events.

I would not want to play golf with you.

BTW...racers use the lightest stuff they can get (or afford if an amateur) and not cheat.

They don't drug test at these races, either....
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Old 12-19-04, 11:49 AM   #5
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im sure you can find someway to gain weight on ur bike by half a pound. im sure it wont slow you down , and this way, you wont be cheating either.
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Old 12-19-04, 02:29 PM   #6
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Unless the race you enter is sanctioned by the UCI the weight rules do not apply and are not enforced (read pretty much any USCF sanctioned race in the USA you could race in). No one, including the officials, will care if your bike weighs 30 pounds or 3 pounds.

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the UCI the weight rules do not apply and are not enforced
What BikeInMN said. I race on a stock 'Dale R3000, which unless I'm mistaken (a distinct possibility ), is not UCI-legal. I believe USCF has restrictions on frame styles, but not weight.
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Old 12-19-04, 11:15 PM   #8
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What BikeInMN said. I race on a stock 'Dale R3000, which unless I'm mistaken (a distinct possibility ), is not UCI-legal. I believe USCF has restrictions on frame styles, but not weight.
I'd guess it is probably more than UCI legal. In what I've seen from cannondale, their weights are off by a large margin.
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Road warrior , you seem really angry at the idea that I might race with a 1/2 advantage over someone else. Chill out a bit. I have found most people on these forums feel that weight is not that important, and that training hard and losing body weight is much more of an issue. You are the first person to say they would not want to play with me if my bike was illegal. And unless I have read wrong, doesn't the UCI say their weight limit rule is to keep the bikes safe? So my advantage might then manifest itself into a disadvantage as I would be riding something very unsafe.
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Old 12-21-04, 05:32 AM   #10
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I dont' care...it just cracks me when somebody asks a question like this....if I cheat and don't get caught, is that OK??? What made me laugh was the how it was stated, something like "stripped of a title"...25 or 30 guys in a CATV race in some park?

Serioulsy, here's an excellent article on the subject. Personally, I think a technical certificate is the way to go here.

Here's another article where you can get the expert's opinions on weight and frames.

Maybe you missed the thread a while back where the poster was riding, I think it was a Trek 5500 on a group ride. Some riders took off and he went along. Then he decided to take off. He was riding along way in front of that pack when he began to hear a noise. He looked back and a guy rode up to him on a cyclocross bike with the 'cross tires on it, with a rack on the back and a tent on the rack. And dropped him like a bad habit. Turns out the guy was a former CATI racer and now a bike shop owner and coach and as he went by the guy on the 5500 he looked at his bike, smiled, and said, "C'mon!!!". I think the poster's remark was something like he understood, now, how good higher category riders are...it ain't bike weight.

BTW...in two years in all USCF races, all bike must comply with all UCI bike rules and standards.
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Old 12-21-04, 10:10 AM   #11
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I am going to race road this next season after many years of riding/racing XC MTB. One of my road bikes is well under 15 lbs. I will not be pro, obviously, but I am wondering with the UCI weight limit set at 15 lbs, how closely do they enforce that rule. Would I ever be in jeopardy of any kind of discipline. For instance say I won a race, or came in top 3, could I have that stripped from me? Or does anybody even care in the amatuer ranks?
I don't know about Canadian officials, but here in the States we are integrating our Rule Book with the UCI. We have not heard, yet, from on High how we are going to enforce the weight limit. Up until now we have not worried much about bike weights. As a racer, I also officiate, I like to keep my bike as light as possible. But there is light, and then there is stupid light. Light to me is approach the 7kg +/- that the UCI set, you can go lower than that (as you have proven to yourself) but you may be getting into materials that have a low fatigue life. But at the same time, see Gilberto Simoni's bike from last year's Giro, you can safely go under that limit.

From what I understand the UCI set the limit, not so much for safety, but for monetary reasons. They wanted to keep bike racing as affordable to the 'people' as possible. Since getting lighter, generally, means getting more exotic and therefore more expensive, they concluded that there needed to be a limit on the amount of mass into a complete bike.

So, what this boils down to, if you race in Canada, you may need to ask a Canadian race official. If you race in the States (you may need an international license though, but as a Cat V they'll probably let it slide) we haven't heard yet and can't give a good answer.

Good luck with your racing, and sorry about the long winded answer to your short question. To answer your unasked question, yes, I am a USCF official here in the States.
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I just sold my Orbea Orca (15#10oz w/cages/pedals) to get a LOOK 418sl (17#3oz). Why? The Orca just didn't fit or handle as well, for me, as the LOOk does. Will I notice the nearly two pounds difference? Probably on a really really long climb it might have saved me some energy but overall it's more about he legs/lungs than a couple of pounds on the bike.
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