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Old 04-26-12, 09:11 AM   #51
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We have hills. The steep ones (15-20%) can take upwards of 90 seconds, and we usually do them at over 20mph. They hurt a hell of a lot by the sixth time you climb it in a race. I think there was a thread once about the "climbing weapon of choice".
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I should bump this ****. http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php/628506
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Em is fightin' words...
Funny reading some of the old threads...
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Road races in Florida? Isnt that like a long crit without turns and hills?
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If I read that other thread correct, it said 100 foot climb at 8-12%. We roll over hills like those at over 20mph in the 53 here.
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If I read that other thread correct, it said 100 foot climb at 8-12%. We roll over hills like those at over 20mph in the 53 here.
Very accurate description...
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Here is the Strava segment for going up Sugarloaf: http://app.strava.com/segments/637166

It is pretty flat approaching it so there is no residual momentum from coming down an equally sized hill just before it. It is short enough that you can go over threshold by quite a bit for the time it takes to get over the top.
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Here is the Strava segment for going up Sugarloaf: http://app.strava.com/segments/637166

It is pretty flat approaching it so there is no residual momentum from coming down an equally sized hill just before it. It is short enough that you can go over threshold by quite a bit for the time it takes to get over the top.
^ Seeing the strava is much better. That's a solid climb. I have a very very similar climb (6.8% .4 miles) about 3 miles from my house and it hurts.
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The FL hills debate never gets old..
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Don't knock the overpasses.

Or the wind.

Or the humidity.

Or the heat.

Or the traffic.
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usually its someone who's never been to FL saying theres no hills, or no climbs. And theyre wrong.
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Old 04-26-12, 01:31 PM   #63
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San Antonio, FL

46.9mi Distance
1,995ft Elevation
02:29:25 Moving Time
1,737 Calories

There must be something out here that goes up. I know, that isn't epic, but there is enough climbing to get some training for the RRs that almost always have the same profile.
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I have nearly as much vertical as that on a 25 mile recovery ride.

One 14 miles lap of the local RR course has nearly 1500 feet.

You guys are just being silly.
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I have nearly as much vertical as that on a 25 mile recovery ride.

One 14 miles lap of the local RR course has nearly 1500 feet.

You guys are just being silly.
When I do laps from the office I am (as it was today) around 100 feet per mile, the sections get as steep as 13%.

I do agree the wind, heat, humidity etc would not make things pleasant.
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Florida is AWESOME!!! **** you guys.
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Here is the Cliff Notes version of Florida racing and "climbing":

Most of the state is very flat.

There is a central ridge with a few small hills. Some of the roads on these hills are relatively steep. The steep side of Sugarloaf is as challenging as it gets. It only hurts because somebody is making it hurt to keep up. That can also be done on a flat road.

There is no climbing in Florida. Climbs cannot be sprinted over. Everything in Florida can be sprinted over.
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Here is the Strava segment for going up Sugarloaf: http://app.strava.com/segments/637166

It is pretty flat approaching it so there is no residual momentum from coming down an equally sized hill just before it. It is short enough that you can go over threshold by quite a bit for the time it takes to get over the top.
Thats similar to San Dimas KOM climb http://app.strava.com/segments/636759 where I usually (read always) get dropped



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usually its someone who's never been to FL saying theres no hills, or no climbs. And theyre wrong.
Correct! Somehow it is stuck in our heads that Florida is flat
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To the OP - After living in Florida for a year I can say that crits in Florida are nuts, even at the CAT 4 level. At least compared to up here in New England, they are. Don't let it get you down, honestly.

Let's take this years Downtown Tampa Twilight Crit. The CAT 4's averaged 28.77mph.
Now lets take last years Smuttynose Brewing Crit in Portsmouth, NH. The Pro 1/2's averaged 26.8.

Something seem a bit off there?

I know it's not all about the average mph, but when I was racing down there I felt like there was some serious sandbagging going on in the 4's due to that stupid Florida Points Series.

And no, Florida Road Races are not long crits without turns......they are more like short and fairly flat circuit races in the most unscenic parts of Florida.
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Everything is pancake flat. We are all very slow. Come on down and pick up easy upgrade points in Florida!

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Something seem a bit off there?

I know it's not all about the average mph, but when I was racing down there I felt like there was some serious sandbagging going on in the 4's due to that stupid Florida Points Series.
You forgot Bill Bone Pro Am. I attended a road race in West Palm Beach last saturday. I had heard a few guys were upgrading to cat 3. I wasnt told they were Forced upgraded. He told me they were. I wont use names on here but I found out that these 2 individuals racing Cat4 this year both in only a 4 month period of time had scored over 40+ USAC upgrade points. Can you imagine what they had scored in a year. USAC says 30 in 12 months is automatic upgrade to 3. these guys have 40+ in 4 months. He then went on to tell me that 2 of them filed appeals to stay in cat4 till after the state criterium championship and USAC approved it. Why because they were trying to win the Bill Bone pro Am in Cat 4 instead of racing where they should be. That is sick. These guys look like a man child compared to other racers. They both have a guy working for them in the race to make sure no break goes which was cool but why are they allowed to stay? For some stupid Bill Bone series that only the south florida racers are in contention for because most of the races are in South florida.

I wish the promotor didnt tell me they were forced upgraded cause it just makes me sick to think I about to line up with these guys that should/could be racing cat 3 and are good enough for cat 2

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I wander how fast Criterium racing In ILLinois Wiscnonsin is compared to florida in the Cat4

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I wish the promotor didnt tell me they were forced upgraded cause it just makes me sick to think I about to line up with these guys that should/could be racing cat 3 and are good enough for cat 2
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I wander how fast Criterium racing In ILLinois Wiscnonsin is compared to florida in the Cat4
I imagine either superweek or tour of cow lands will have some fast guys in it.
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