Cycling and bicycle discussion forums. 
   Click here to join our community Log in to access your Control Panel  


Go Back   > >

"The 33"-Road Bike Racing We set this forum up for our members to discuss their experiences in either pro or amateur racing, whether they are the big races, or even the small backyard races. Don't forget to update all the members with your own race results.

User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 04-24-12, 08:06 AM   #1
JAX_11
Dazed and Confused
Thread Starter
 
JAX_11's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Disney World
Bikes:
Posts: 257
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Is it possible to be a sucessful racer in the USA only racing road races? (florida)

Thinking since being in Florida presents alot more chances to race near year round with ample road races between Florida, Georgia and Alabama, if it would benefit some racers to focus on road races only? You could pretty much race close to 20-30 road races a year maybe more, so why even do crits when you can't seem to break through in them and they just arent that much fun. I race 50-50 road race and crits this year so far and can't break through in the crits where when i get into the road races all the guys beating me in crits I'm beating in the road races. when I line up at a Crit it looks like a tryout for college running backs position. seems everyone is big and have great short term power.I get in the road races with these same guys and they are off the back. Being I cant win or come close to winning in Cirts and seem to be in the mix for a podium in almost all the road races would it be smart to just focus on road races? Can you be a effective racer and develop yourself and get stronger by only doing road races or long circuit races? I know alot of you love crits and thats fine. I'd probally be more interested in them also If I had the 40-50 minute power these guy have. I just wander if next season I should cut out all crits and train specifically for road races.
JAX_11 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-12, 08:15 AM   #2
SalsaPodio
Senior Member
 
SalsaPodio's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Iowa
Bikes: 2012 Parlee Z5
Posts: 965
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
If you're looking to get stronger, just race every opportunity you have. No sense in targeting only road races. If you've been racing for a while and know your strengths and weaknesses, then I could see targeting only RRs.

The first year I raced I loved crits and didn't really care for road races. The second year I loved road races. Now I like both pretty equally, although I seem to have better results in road races. So if you're just starting out you probably don't know what you like or are good at.
SalsaPodio is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-12, 08:23 AM   #3
Homebrew01
Senior Member
 
Homebrew01's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Ffld Cnty Connecticut
Bikes: Old Steelies I made, Old Cannondales
Posts: 19,555
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 48 Post(s)
If you are on an active team, then you can sometimes help teammates in crits although you may not place well.
__________________
Bikes: Old steel race bikes, old Cannondale race bikes, less old Cannondale race bike, crappy old mtn bike
Homebrew01 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-12, 08:28 AM   #4
gsteinb
out walking the earth
 
gsteinb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: teh Jersey
Bikes:
Posts: 19,823
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 11 Post(s)
I don't really understand the question. If one is successful at road races, unless they're a pure climber or don't excel unless things are so long guys are cross eyed, they can call up the same skills in a crit that make them successful in RRs.
gsteinb is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-12, 08:34 AM   #5
carpediemracing
Super Moderator
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Tariffville, CT
Bikes: Tsunami Bikes
Posts: 14,504
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 33 Post(s)
Road racing is really hard physiologically speaking, i.e. it forces fitness/ability to the front.

Crits are really hard tactically speaking. Yes, it benefits a sprinter, but there are a lot of crits where a sprinter doesn't win. It allows smarter racers to finish well.

A strong and savvy racer can win/place in both. If one type of race suits you better, it reflects on your traits as a cyclist.

As an FYI I'm not a strong racer, but I'm more savvy than many others.
carpediemracing is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-12, 08:36 AM   #6
mattm
**** that
 
mattm's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: CALI
Bikes:
Posts: 13,654
Mentioned: 9 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 56 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by SalsaPodio View Post
If you're looking to get stronger, just race every opportunity you have. No sense in targeting only road races.
this
__________________
cat 1.

blog
mattm is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-12, 08:40 AM   #7
Racer Ex 
Resident Alien
 
Racer Ex's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Location, location.
Bikes:
Posts: 12,479
Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 26 Post(s)
If you want our permission to quit riding crits in lieu of road races, please fill out a BF-33-456, and submit it with two copies of your racing results, and a current EWang or JPG of your MMP Chart along with a certified check or money order for $72.50. We'll convene the council of elders, review the paperwork, and submit it to a vote. Expect a written answer within 30 days.
Racer Ex is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-12, 08:45 AM   #8
MDcatV
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Bikes:
Posts: 6,760
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by gsteinb View Post
I don't really understand the question. If one is successful at road races, unless they're a pure climber or don't excel unless things are so long guys are cross eyed, they can call up the same skills in a crit that make them successful in RRs.
this
MDcatV is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-12, 08:46 AM   #9
JAX_11
Dazed and Confused
Thread Starter
 
JAX_11's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Disney World
Bikes:
Posts: 257
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Thanx, I see what you are saying. I just hit my 1 year mark last week. I have did probally 45 races in the first year. After i get done racing crits i come home and ask myself over and over why i even train or race for days. After road races when I have been out there 2/3 hours I come home wanting to race again the next day. I just hate going to a crit and not having the sprinting ability and leg power that these guys that could play linebacker in college have. I cant put out the power these guys do for 40 minutes. My question was will I be at a disadvantage in training if I'm not racing crits and only doing road races? Will it hurt my road racing to not be in crits? I'd like to focus on road racing aspect and TT training. I feel in the long run my best finishes and best races will be in the long races.
JAX_11 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-12, 08:48 AM   #10
JAX_11
Dazed and Confused
Thread Starter
 
JAX_11's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Disney World
Bikes:
Posts: 257
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Racer Ex View Post
If you want our permission to quit riding crits in lieu of road races, please fill out a BF-33-456, and submit it with two copies of your racing results, and a current EWang or JPG of your MMP Chart along with a certified check or money order for $72.50. We'll convene the council of elders, review the paperwork, and submit it to a vote. Expect a written answer within 30 days.
Thats all it costs to quit racing crits, build a uber lightweight bike slap on some zipp 202s and concentrate on destroying the road races in cat4 soon to be 3 and 30+... Ill send you a check tomorrow.
JAX_11 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-12, 08:57 AM   #11
Creatre
These Guys Eat Oreos
 
Creatre's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Atlanta, GA
Bikes: Yes
Posts: 3,422
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I'm in a similar situation myself. I constantly have great results in road races. There are far more crits, but I can never seem to do well in them, and my weekend goes from 5hours+ of organized training to maybe 2 hours if I have a huge warmup/cooldown both days. It's hard to justify traveling to race, where you are almost guarenteed to lose training time, have no results, and have the high possibility to crash and ruin your season.

My only chance with my power profile is to get in a breakaway or get away in the last 1k. But breakaways almost never happen in cat4 crits here unfortunately, and my 1k power is shunted by the fact I'm still iffy and lose time in the corners after clipping a pedal a year ago. I'm hoping to upgrade to a 3 off another RR then have some fun working in crits for a team, and maybe learning them a bit better and get some results one day.
Creatre is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-12, 09:56 AM   #12
hammy56
coffee-stained punk
 
hammy56's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Bikes:
Posts: 6,630
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
what do you consider success? For me, finishing in the top 10 in the 4's = success. Not getting lapped by the 40+ field = success...but I keep going, and keep trying, because I want to be there. But Im 40 yrs old and have no illusions of being a "great' racer. Im in it for the fun and suffering. ymmv.

my question is- what do you want to do? If you want to do better in the crits, train for them.
hammy56 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-12, 10:05 AM   #13
AzTallRider 
I need speed
 
AzTallRider's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Bikes: Giant Propel, Cervelo P2
Posts: 5,550
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I don't know about anyone else, but I race for more than the results in a specific race or type of race. And if I feel I've done the best I can do in a particular race, or on a particular course, I feel good about the result. I'm not going to only ride in races I think I can win. I'm focused on improving all around to reduce physical limitations, and on getting the smarts that will help me overcome those that remain. The only thing that pisses me off is knowing I could have done better than I did on that particular day, due to a mental lack of toughness, bad prep, etc.
__________________
"If you're riding less than 18 MPH up a 2% grade please tell people Coggan is coaching you."
AzTallRider is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-12, 10:57 AM   #14
johnybutts
Senior Member
 
johnybutts's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Houston, TX
Bikes: Type of horse.
Posts: 3,296
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
For me, a lot of the fun of road racing is the challenge figuring out how to win/place well. I've never had strong 5s or 1m numbers (nor FTP for that matter), but I have won sprints. The intrigue is in figuring out how to do it with each course and each field. If it's a crit or a RR doesn't make too much difference to me. Both are challenging and I'll obviously approach with different strategies, but the basic game is the same: figure out how to make something work.
johnybutts is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-12, 11:12 AM   #15
shovelhd 
Senior Member
 
shovelhd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Western MA
Bikes: Yes
Posts: 15,426
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 9 Post(s)
I'm 5'10" and 141 pounds, and I'm a crit racer. I love them. Last year I did 31 crits and 6 road races.

It's so easy to generalize about what makes a good crit racer. Sure the linebackers and rkwakis can do well, but there are a slew of little guys like me who also do well. Crit racing does favor tactics as CDR says, but I think what it favors more than anything are the ability to read a race, a good jump, a kilo effort, and a strong FTP. You don't have to have a world class sprint to win. If it comes down to a field sprint, you probably won't win, so don't let it. I work very hard on my jump, sprint, and FTP to be able to do well. All of this training helps road racing, too.

Even though you are a Cat4, you have a lot of racing under your belt. If you want to specialize, go ahead, but if you want to progress up the ladder in racing, then you'll eventually have to figure out how to do well in crits, as long as you're racing in this country. My advice to you is to forget about specialization, and spend some time to figure out what your strengths and weaknesses are. Get with a higher category racer or two and develop a plan to address your weaknesses. From what I understand, you're on a strong team, so there should be someone to help you out. Be open minded. Listen and learn. Work hard on your weaknesses. Use training rides and races to test them out. In races, start to figure out who they guys are that get away and mark them. Get in a break and finish in the break. Do that a few times and I bet you'll change your mind about racing crits.
shovelhd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-12, 06:00 PM   #16
kindablue
Fly on the wall
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Colorado Springs
Bikes: a few
Posts: 981
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by shovelhd View Post
I'm 5'10" and 141 pounds, and I'm a crit racer. I love them. Last year I did 31 crits and 6 road races.

Even though you are a Cat4, you have a lot of racing under your belt. If you want to specialize, go ahead, but if you want to progress up the ladder in racing, then you'll eventually have to figure out how to do well in crits, as long as you're racing in this country. My advice to you is to forget about specialization, and spend some time to figure out what your strengths and weaknesses are. Get with a higher category racer or two and develop a plan to address your weaknesses. From what I understand, you're on a strong team, so there should be someone to help you out. Be open minded. Listen and learn. Work hard on your weaknesses. Use training rides and races to test them out. In races, start to figure out who they guys are that get away and mark them. Get in a break and finish in the break. Do that a few times and I bet you'll change your mind about racing crits.
+1

Race crits, they are good for you. Show up next time and try not to do a damn thing until 5 to go. You strike me as the guy who pulls a lot.
kindablue is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-12, 06:21 PM   #17
ericm979
Senior Member
 
ericm979's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Santa Cruz Mountains
Bikes:
Posts: 6,170
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Unless you're a pro, "success" means having fun. If you don't find crits fun you don't have to do them. But even if you suck at them like I do they're good for you. When I was starting out I did the weekly twilight crit series and I got a lot better at pack positioning and reading the race. Eventually I started enjoying them.
ericm979 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-12, 06:26 PM   #18
gsteinb
out walking the earth
 
gsteinb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: teh Jersey
Bikes:
Posts: 19,823
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 11 Post(s)
To define what success means for someone else is silly.
gsteinb is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-12, 06:30 PM   #19
ericm979
Senior Member
 
ericm979's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Santa Cruz Mountains
Bikes:
Posts: 6,170
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
If you're not making money, you're doing it for fun.
ericm979 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-12, 06:36 PM   #20
gsteinb
out walking the earth
 
gsteinb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: teh Jersey
Bikes:
Posts: 19,823
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 11 Post(s)
Winning is fun.
gsteinb is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-12, 07:21 PM   #21
shovelhd 
Senior Member
 
shovelhd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Western MA
Bikes: Yes
Posts: 15,426
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 9 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by gsteinb View Post
Winning is fun.
Yes it is, but it isn't everything. I had just as much fun lapping the field twice as winning last weekend.
shovelhd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-12, 07:25 PM   #22
gsteinb
out walking the earth
 
gsteinb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: teh Jersey
Bikes:
Posts: 19,823
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 11 Post(s)
Shrug. The standard of success for me is winning. Most "pros," unless they're UCI Euro pros don't make what a barrister makes. I don't know why anyone else does this, but I do it because I like to compete, and I compete to win.
gsteinb is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-12, 07:32 PM   #23
shovelhd 
Senior Member
 
shovelhd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Western MA
Bikes: Yes
Posts: 15,426
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 9 Post(s)
I didn't say it wasn't the standard of success, I said it wasn't everything, to me. If I'm not having fun, I'm out. Off to Fredland.
shovelhd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-12, 10:03 PM   #24
Hida Yanra
VeloSIRraptor
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Deschutes
Bikes:
Posts: 4,543
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by shovelhd View Post
If it comes down to a field sprint, you probably won't win, so don't let it.
deliciously sig-able.
Hida Yanra is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-25-12, 04:47 AM   #25
gsteinb
out walking the earth
 
gsteinb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: teh Jersey
Bikes:
Posts: 19,823
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 11 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by shovelhd View Post
I didn't say it wasn't the standard of success, I said it wasn't everything, to me. If I'm not having fun, I'm out. Off to Fredland.
I wasn't really responding to you per se, but clarifying my original point.
gsteinb is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 03:56 AM.